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Federals have always been a snug fit, but the latest two bricks of Fed 210M primers I bought are IMO a too tight fit in the primer pockets. They take a lot of force to start, and when they finally do go some of them go in in such a way to make me wonder if I've crushed them.

The unplated WLR's have been a bit of a loose fit in some brass for a while now.

The R 9 1/2 primers go in smooth but snug enough, but they run tall. Combine that with the off spec primer pockets commonly encountered and they may not seat flush.

Overall the CCI primers have been the best seating ones for a while.

(All comments refer to large rifle primers.)

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My Fed 210’s fit well, perform well. But they are several years old.

I don’t use as many CCI’s but like them.

My W/W’s are 25 yrs old, plated. They work well.

Guess I’ve been lucky.

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My tight 210's are pretty new. They didn't give me trouble in the past.

I finally ran through my late father's hoard of old plated WW 8 1/2 - 120 primers.

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Originally Posted by mathman
Federals have always been a snug fit, but the latest two bricks of Fed 210M primers I bought are IMO a too tight fit in the primer pockets. They take a lot of force to start, and when they finally do go some of them go in in such a way to make me wonder if I've crushed them.

The unplated WLR's have been a bit of a loose fit in some brass for a while now.

The R 9 1/2 primers go in smooth but snug enough, but they run tall. Combine that with the off spec primer pockets commonly encountered and they may not seat flush.

Overall the CCI primers have been the best seating ones for a while.

(All comments refer to large rifle primers.)


I’ve used nothing but CCI primers since I started loading ammunition until recently when I exhausted my supply and moved onto my Winchester stock of regular and magnum primers. I did notice that they do feel looser when priming and not as snug as the CCI primers. Also noticed that the Federal 210M’s felt real tight when loading in my Creedmoor. At first I thought I was loading too hot in my AI and Creedmoor until I used the Federal’s. I broke open a new brick of CCI 200’s that I recently picked up and things were back to normal. Still haven’t had any issues with burning through on any of the Winchester primers so I must have older primers.

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125 grain GMX = H-4895
150 grain GMX = R-15
150 grain Barnes TTSX = Varget

My Ruger Scout Rifle appears to like Varget for most everything 150 grains and up, the GMX being the only exception.


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Originally Posted by hawkman0206
Looking for load advice for the 150 grain Hornady GMX in my 308. I got lots of Varget, RL15, IMR3031, and TAC. Anyone with any recommended loadings, please chime in. With my 150 grain SSTs, I use 3031, and get the best accuracy, but was reading the GMX bullets are longer, and 3031 might be too fast of a powder, which leaves me wondering, Please feel free to offer any other recommendations if the powders listed are bettered, as I'm not afraid to try something different, like 4895, or AR Comp. Thanks for the help! Steve


Not too long ago my thoughts on powder for .308 started and ended with Varget when it came to .308s and mono 130s and 150s. Were I doing some workups in 308 today for those weights I would be starting with 4451. Everywhere i have used it in place of Varget it has been better. Burns clean, fights copper, produces better velocity.

Also, for what it's worth, I would be using the Barnes 130 TTSX. There's nothing a 150 does that the 130 will not do with much better velocity and less recoil. I like many others start my monos at .050 off. If they are not shooting accurately there when I get to pressure, I move to .010 off and step back in .010 increments until I find accuracy. Trying random seating depths just wastes bullets and sometimes cons you into accepting something short of what the rifle will produce.

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Originally Posted by MILES58
Originally Posted by hawkman0206
Looking for load advice for the 150 grain Hornady GMX in my 308. I got lots of Varget, RL15, IMR3031, and TAC. Anyone with any recommended loadings, please chime in. With my 150 grain SSTs, I use 3031, and get the best accuracy, but was reading the GMX bullets are longer, and 3031 might be too fast of a powder, which leaves me wondering, Please feel free to offer any other recommendations if the powders listed are bettered, as I'm not afraid to try something different, like 4895, or AR Comp. Thanks for the help! Steve


Not too long ago my thoughts on powder for .308 started and ended with Varget when it came to .308s and mono 130s and 150s. Were I doing some workups in 308 today for those weights I would be starting with 4451. Everywhere i have used it in place of Varget it has been better. Burns clean, fights copper, produces better velocity.

Also, for what it's worth, I would be using the Barnes 130 TTSX. There's nothing a 150 does that the 130 will not do with much better velocity and less recoil. I like many others start my monos at .050 off. If they are not shooting accurately there when I get to pressure, I move to .010 off and step back in .010 increments until I find accuracy. Trying random seating depths just wastes bullets and sometimes cons you into accepting something short of what the rifle will produce.


4451 in a 308?

4166 maybe?

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Originally Posted by mathman

4451 in a 308?

4166 maybe?


You bet with 130s!

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Originally Posted by MILES58
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4451 in a 308?

4166 maybe?


You bet with 130s!


I'm still not following. 4451 is a "4350 class" powder which seems to me to be on the slow side for a 308.

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Originally Posted by mathman


I'm still not following. 4451 is a "4350 class" powder which seems to me to be on the slow side for a 308.


In use I do not find it much slower than Varget and I get a little better velocity out of it over Varget. Varget MAY be a little easier to get right in a 308 case. For the better part of my time reloading 4350 was the .243 powder and I have used it for 58 grainers on up to 100s. I quit using it when I got Varget, and the only place I use it now is in my 270 with 110s. I tried it there to test the bullets a little and it handed me itty bitty groups. I though I was just going to burn up some powder running tests.

4451 I have come to really appreciate. It tends to be clean and quite linear. And, it usually gives me better velocity with equal accuracy.

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Has anyone mentioned Varget and 210's yet?


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