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Sorry you feel that way. Ithaca did make great stuff actually. But someone ruined that one with a torch. You cannot fix that problem, though an unethical person could hide it.

No, I do not own a comparable shotgun. Mine are much finer than that and worth a fair bit in some cases. None of them have been torched. Two of them are even Ithacas.

Do you understand what it means to "torch" a gun? I guess not. [/quote]
I was unaware of this practice, and appreciate the education. What I do not appreciate is the fact you can't deliver this information without being a condescending prick.[/quote]

You are wrong Gregg. Commie trolls are not condescending pricks. They are lowlifes and cant BE condescending.

Pricks-yes.

I will grant you that they come across as condescending, but its because they are pricks.

I just clicked on it because Jim was the last poster and I wanted to see what he had to say.

Of course then I had to reply with a 'joke' which happened to come at your expense.

I was unaware of this practice, and appreciate the education. What I do not appreciate is the fact you can't deliver this information without being a condescending prick.[/quote]

You are wrong Gregg. Commie trolls are not condescending pricks. They are lowlifes and cant BE condescending.

Pricks-yes.

I will grant you that they come across as condescending, but its because they are pricks. [/quote]

Hilarious! You are even an authority on condensation and pricks. But, good thing you put greg in his place. He won't make that mistake again.

Man, you are clearly The Most Interesting Man in the World. You got it all!

Good Lord, a man can't even post a pic of a decent score on a fine looking shotgun without it turning into a 20 + page schitshow.

We (mostly) are all on the same side but yet thread after thread after thread gets derailed by this crap.

I was unaware of this practice, and appreciate the education. What I do not appreciate is the fact you can't deliver this information without being a condescending prick.[/quote]

You are wrong Gregg. Commie trolls are not condescending pricks. They are lowlifes and cant BE condescending.

Pricks-yes.

I will grant you that they come across as condescending, but its because they are pricks. [/quote]

Hilarious! You are even an authority on condensation and pricks. But, good thing you put greg in his place. He won't make that mistake again.

Man, you are clearly The Most Interesting Man in the World. You got it all!



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You are spot on there, Leroy. Others have told me the same thing many times before, but they were women. They were corksuckers also, though women.

PS. Condensation and condescending are two entirely different things. So, how does a discussion on condescending morph into you going off on condensation?

Yep, I have a few nice ones. The prices for a new Piotti King I is pushing $50K. The Westlake is worth quite a bit, too.

I don't trust vintage guns. My first "nice" double was a Parker VH 16 gauge. Don't know how many here are familiar with the Parker name and legend, but I was proud of that gun. Cost me $800 at a local gun show here at the old Salt Palace. I showed it to an older, more experienced gun nut, and was surprised at his lack of enthusiasm. It was, as he said, a rather uninteresting gun, being just a single underlug boxlock. I killed a lot of grouse with that gun, despite that typical excessive drop. Ended up selling it to Daniel Cote, the then editor of "The Double Gun Journal".

I later bought a pre WWI English shotgun, a Beesley, with beautifully carved fences.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...ck-ejector-12-ga--.cfm?gun_id=101042799.

I shot it a bit, but it had been messed with. I took it to the Beinfield show in Vegas and had the Purdey reps look at it. Turns out the the action had been pinched,, the barrels were thin, etc. The Purdey fellow was very polite when I asked him what he thought. He said, "It's had a life". I traded it off as part of my King I purchase.

My last foray into vintage guns involved a 10 gauge Damascus barreled English double. I bought it from a Scottish firm dba "Hammer and Damascus". It had serious problems, including being out of proof because the barrels had been bored to remove pits. I contacted the seller, who at first laughed me off, refusing to refund my money. Well, knowing it's illegal to sell an out of proof gun, I contacted the Birmingham Proof House. I think the penalty at that time for selling out of proof was 5000 pounds per barrel. The proof house helped with my negotiation. I got my money back, including shipping, FFL fees, plus $300 for my trouble. That guy is out of business now.

Thus ended my fascination with vintage guns. The majority have been seriously messed with and fraud is rampant. The gun in this thread is obviously a redo. Torched colors is a bubba trick, and a red flag. It was redone because it was in fair to poor condition, one doesn't know what the condition of the gun actually is. Sorry, it's just not something I would be interested in at any price. American boxlocks are okay, but nothing to get excited about. Old, refinished American boxlocks don't interest me in the least.

Seriously?

Thank your pals, rockin' and jag. Meanwhile where is the "decent score on a fine looking shotgun" at?

That is very fair and a good explanation of how/why you came about your taste in doubles.

See Leroy, that's how you explain it. It still leaves room for the guy who pays next to nothing for a gun that admittedly isn't a museum piece to throw behind the seat of his pickup and go out and shoot some quail. Maybe even get the stock replaced with something that fits him better and not worry about ruining it any further.

Personally, I like the OP's gun, it fits my style & budget. Shoot till it breaks, do another cheap fix until it can't be cheap fixed no more.

I like Paddler's guns too. But I would feel bad using them. Just not in my budget. Nothing wrong with that, just is.

Great strategy if you know how to pick guns. EdM didn't. That's the problem. He way overpaid for that gun unfortunately.

Nothing wrong with an inexpensive, refinished gun. Just not THAT inexpensive, refinished gun.

I own a good handful of old doubles. None are pristine, or even 100% original condition. Some were flat out busted when bought and I have had to glue together several stocks to restore them to safe, shooting condition. But they have not been bubbaed. There is a difference and that was the whole point of my first post. Since then, the thread took on a life of its own, which has been entertaining but not all the instructive.

My hope is that EdM and maybe a few others won't be so easily bamboozled by a shady dealer next time.


Maybe one like this would be a good choice. For sure it is better than the one EdM got snookered for
https://auctions.thegunrunner.com/l...side-shotgun-28-barrels-mutton-case-1905

What a fuggin' douche you are.

Since when have you been concerned about anyone but yourself here?

Still trashing a gun you never laid hands on, as well as making the buyer out to be stupid...

Explains very well why you are so endeared to everyone here.

Please continue. I have no doubt that you have not reached bottom yet.

Dumbass.

I never said the buyer was stupid. He may have been ignorant of what constitutes reasonable restoration in a shotgun, but now he knows. Stupid is like you - doing the saying the same bs over and over as if you actually know of what you speak.

By the way that reminds me, where are your gunsmithing credentials you were bragging about yesterday? I'm calling boolschit on that.

You shoe me a shotgun that failed due to torching, and I'll trot out verifiable gunsmithing and firearms industry credits.

Deal, Dumbass?

You have not begun to defile yourself yet.

Please continue. You have a captive audience for how low you will go.

I see you are stalling. Of course, you have no such credentials. Now maybe as a bubbasmith you are beyond them all. Did you eff-up Ed's gun?

Well let us know when you are ready to back up your claim.

Be very careful buying old guns. I bought a Holland and Holland boxlock in the same deal as the Westlake from a dealer in Maryland. Upon receipt, the Westlake was wonderful. The H&H, not so much. I later read that H&H had actually had some of those boxlocks built in Spain. I believe it. I moved that gun, along with the Beesley and a boxlock Zanotti to another dealer along with some cash to buy the Piotti King I. That dealer later called me to say that the barrels on the Beesley were too thin. I had no way to measure them, but offered to unwind the deal. The dealer declined. I saw that Beesley at a later gun show at another dealer's table. He had no clue he'd been beaten like a drum. Used guns can be very difficult to evaluate, and like I said, fraud is rampant. Even among dealers.

I think if you really want a double gun, the Beretta Silver Pigeon I is the way to go. The 686 series is excellent. Take your chances if you like on old, refinished American SxS's at your peril.

No real bird hunters hunt with doubles anyway. They’re all wall hangers in the eyes of men.

Meanwhile, Ginsburg going all Humpty Dumpty on us.

So what do "real" bird hunters hunt with?

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