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You're just not willing to say it. ... lol
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Bwana1, you seem to have missed the fact that i own a few alpha binos....slc HD's, Geovids, 10x50 SV's, along with several high performing mid level glass. I'm not implying anything other than the indisputable fact that today's $500-$1000 glass is all anyone, anywhere would ever NEED to hunt and glass successfully in the field and the performance gap is negligible. It will not make a hill of beans difference as far as success goes. I never said otherwise, ever. Believe it or not, when I have my SV's on a tripod, alongside a BX4 Pro Guide HD I can see the same thing through both of them, easily. The SV does it better, but you won't miss anything.
I believe spotting scopes, however, are another matter, and that you do have to pay for performance. I agree with most of that, based on how many hours the glass is actually used. An awful lot of quality is also based on one's individual eye sight, if someone's eye sight is subpar them distinguishing detail is off setting optic quality. Agreed. What's your handle on Birdforum? Also, if you will read the OP, what bino do you suggest for him given his $700-900 budget?
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
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I'm going to get you to say "Hell yes I ordered the code red!"
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The one's that don't get it are the ones that think you have to spend $1500+ to get a fantastic set of hunting binos. Those days are long gone.
No,,,but implying those that do choose to buy Alpha products, are somewhat foolish or uneducated consumers because of today's "new kids on the block" is lol.
There are many levels of optics budgets available, along with a multitude of choices based on needs in the field. Each person chooses what fit's his budget and provides the tool to accomplish the task. Arguing brands or even models is futile, especially if price isn't part of the equation.
People with a Ford Focus always feel the need to explain why they own a POS, yet I've never met a guy with a BMW explaining why he's stuck with that car.
That wasn't the implication, the explicit statement was about those who think one must buy an "alpha" from the big three to get a really good binocular. Sorry, I took English (& Literature too), & though the statement was as you noted, but the clear implication (what was to be inferred) behind that was exactly as Bwana stated. The explicit statement is one thing, what was implied is quite another. To attempt to say that that's not what JG meant is being pretty disingenuous on both your part as well as JG's. MM
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Then JG implied himself to be foolish, JG being an alpha owner too.
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Sorry, I took English (& Literature too), & though the statement was as you noted, but the clear implication (what was to be inferred) behind that was exactly as Bwana stated.
The explicit statement is one thing, what was implied is quite another.
To attempt to say that that's not what JG meant is being pretty disingenuous on both your part as well as JG's.
MM
I'm not sure how anyone could misunderstand my response you guys are referencining. The quote below is what Bwana 1 said in agreement about "buy once, cry once"......
Yes Sir, some still don't get it....and never will.
My response to that was..... The one's that don't get it are the ones that think you have to spend $1500+ to get a fantastic set of hunting binos. Those days are long gone. What's confusing about that?
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
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lol
JG clarified his post, we understand each other's viewpoints.
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Bwana1...?????
Agreed. What's your handle on Birdforum? Also, if you will read the OP, what bino do you suggest for him given his $700-900 budget?
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I too had an obsession with glass.
Your optics are the most important part of the gear after your gun. You should buy the best optics you can afford to.
There are many good deals on used top tier optics out there- many are barely used. Spending a grand on a used set of used Swarovski or Zeiss is hands down better than spending the same amount on budget optics (FWIW I rate Leica just below the Swaro & Zeiss and well above the others).
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OP,
Quit reading all the BS here and buy those 8x42's from Doug. Use your credit card.
Thank me later.
Or buy some Toric's in 8x42.
I am continually astounded at how quickly people make up their minds on little evidence or none at all.
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OP,
Quit reading all the BS here and buy those 8x42's from Doug. Use your credit card.
Thank me later.
Or buy some Toric's in 8x42. The 8x42 are what I would pick after many years of trial and error. 750 is a great buy.
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I purchased a nice pair of Swarovski ELs on the fire several years ago, very happy.
In September I purchased a pair of Minox 8x43 HPG demos for $1,000. These were the higher end model.
Be patient, if you can’t get exactly what you want in size, 8 vs 10 or 12, you will be happier with the better glass.
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OP,
Quit reading all the BS here and buy those 8x42's from Doug. Use your credit card.
Thank me later.
Or buy some Toric's in 8x42. ^^^^This^^^^
Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?
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$700-900 budget = Leica Trinovid HD 8x42. Love mine! Happy Trails
Life Member NRA, RMEF, American Legion, MAGA. Not necessarily in that order.
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Spence1875 on the fire had a pair for sale on the fire. Buy with confidence from him.
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Cool, have we worked out who is the bigger jew yet?
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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Cool, have we worked out who is the bigger jew yet?
[bleep]
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Cool, have we worked out who is the bigger jew yet?
[bleep] Use "arsehole", it doesn't bleep. Oh, and your touchy-feelie crap doesn't interest me either.
Last edited by JSTUART; 11/29/18.
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