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#13331766 - 12/04/18 H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets  
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According to a couple of my loading books H335 gives top speed in the .223 with 40 gr. bullets... I want to load for gophers and some p. dogs.. I have used it years ago, but not in the last 20 years.. I would like something easy to load and easy to purchase.. Some of the other powders come close, but they are not available in my area.. Next trip to Montana, I want to stock up on powder.. Right now H335 looks like the best deal .. What do you think of it??? It was accurate according to my notes, but a bit dirty...


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#13331883 - 12/04/18 Re: H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]  
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I keep some 335 around for giggles, don’t like it much but does work. 4895, 8208XBR, Benchmark and 322 will all hang right with 335 or beat it and are better powders. Benchmark is my most used in the 223 out of a 24” tube 26.5 grains and a 52 easily hit 3500. 40’s leave about 3650-3700 with about a grain to go.




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#13331888 - 12/04/18 Re: H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]  
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I've found it a bit variable pressure-wise, based upon temperature. "A bit" is ridiculously understated. A lot of guys used to swear by it for varmint shooting out of 223's. It should work fine. I think it's mediocre, per your question in your post, for accuracy in every gun I've tried it in from 223 to 444, and the pressure variability spooks me.

My most accurate loads with 40 gr bullets have been with Accurate powders, namely 2230 and 2460, with 2460 being the tops in both a target gun and a sporter. But if you have it and it shoots well for you, for it.

Seafire once posted that he'd had a couple guns let go on him over the years, and every time, 335 was the powder being used.


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#13332374 - 12/04/18 Re: H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]  
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I have used it before but now use H- 322 or TAC.

The 335 will make the sky light up after the sun goes down. cool

#13332379 - 12/04/18 Re: H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]  
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It’s my favorite powder behind 40 gr Nosler BTs. Near max load was most accurate in first and second barrels. If I had to pick another powder, I think I’d go with Benchmark. The best use I’ve had with AA2230 was under 65 gr Sierra GKs, where it shot tiny groups.

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#13332432 - 12/04/18 Re: H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]  
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I love how much H335 gets bashed by people that don't shoot it much. I have spilled more H335 on the floor than most of those guys have loaded. I have no less than 40 pounds of H335 I use it in all my 223 sized cases, even the 224 WBY Mag. It works great and I never see the problems that the detractors keep bringing up. We shoot prairie dogs all year round and that includes winter when temperatures do get a tad cold.

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#13332538 - 12/04/18 Re: H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]  
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Thanks for the info. I appreciate it very much...


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#13332620 - 12/04/18 Re: H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]  
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For me H335 is one of my least favorite powders........while accurate in many 223 loads it is finiky. can be very temp sensitive and has a very high flame temp.

Has been many years ago so I don't have my original notes, but several years ago one of my friends had a thermal imaging camera. H335 heated the barrel up on a 223 much faster than using other powders like RL10x, N133, Varget or Benchmark. I used the last of mine this spring, glad it is gone and will never buy any more.

#13333332 - 12/05/18 Re: H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]  
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My wife loves H 335.. she uses some of my left over batches, in her Rose Garden and also on bare patches on the lawn....

it has great pyrotechnics when fired at night...

it served me well disassembling a couple of Ruger 77s in 223...

and did a good job turning a pair of stocks into expensive toothpicks...and kindling...

for some reason, even tho 25 grains of H 335 and a 55 grain bullet are bread and butter loads in a 223
the Ruger had an issue twice digesting it twice...

one a Factory load and one a handload, but both times 25 grains of H 335 was the powder charge.

since everything else under the sun works well in a 223, I tend to use anything else...

YMMV...


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#13333514 - 12/05/18 Re: H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]  
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That would make me decide to use something else...


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#13334422 - 12/05/18 Re: H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]  
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WyoCoyoteHunter: I currently own and use 15 (fifteen) long heavy barreled Varmint Rifles in caliber 223 Remington - 6 (six) of them prefer and use H-335 powder.
I have been using H-335 powder for MANY decades now and have as yet to notice problem one!
I have used this powder in temperatures from 20+ degrees below zero to 100+ degrees above - that's a temperature (sensitive?) range of 120+ degrees!
Still no problems, to date.
I say give it a try and if the accuracy is there use it with no trepidation.
Speaking of accuracy as I was counting up my Rifles in caliber 223 Remington and checking their powders in my loading log when I came across the page for my XR-100 Rifle in 223 Remington.
Back a few years I was "load developing" with it.
It happened that I shot a five shot group at 100 yards using LaPua brass, Federal 205 Match primers, Berger 52 grain H/P's and a "perky" load of H-335 powder (I have used this perky load safely in several other 223's) to shoot the smallest group I have ever shot with a factory (non-40-X) Rifle!
That group measured .121"!
That powder, that day, even outshot V.V. N-133 powder.
According to my loading log that was January 1st of 2,006 - and the temperature at my friends private range (6,005' elevation) was 6 degrees.
No wind at all and I was using a Leupold 8.5x25 variable scope on that all factory Rifle.
I of course have used that loading in that Rifle ever since and have done so on days shooting Prairie Dogs that hit 100 degrees!
IF... H-335 is temperature sensitive IT has never shown that to me in any detrimental way!
Best of luck with your 223!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
P.S.: While perusing the 223 section of my loading log book I found out I mis-counted my 223 Rifles - inadvertently I counted my two pistols in caliber 223 Remington as being Rifles - they are not Rifles, so I currently own 13 (thirteen) Rifles in 223 Remington and 6 (six) of them prefer H-335.
Neither of my pistol 223's prefer H-335 powder.

#13334979 - 12/05/18 Re: H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]  
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Have seen problems with H335 ranging from varied zero and accuracy at longer range due to wildly different velocities from the initial zero temp, on up to a rifle that needed “rodded” to remove the case after every shot, when the temperature rose. This was due to high pressure causing the cases to stick in the chamber, and the rifle’s relatively weak extractor couldn’t do the job.

H335 is garbage. This isn’t 1982 - there are significantly better powders available.



#13335442 - 12/05/18 Re: H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets [Re: shrapnel]  
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Originally Posted by shrapnel


I love how much H335 gets bashed by people that don't shoot it much. I have spilled more H335 on the floor than most of those guys have loaded. I have no less than 40 pounds of H335 I use it in all my 223 sized cases, even the 224 WBY Mag. It works great and I never see the problems that the detractors keep bringing up. We shoot prairie dogs all year round and that includes winter when temperatures do get a tad cold.

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#13336200 - 12/06/18 Re: H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]  
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Have used h335 in 223,220 swift,22 250,204r,243,17rem.,222. In heat and in cold. For over 40 years. Have not had any bad experience yet.


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#13338226 - 12/06/18 Re: H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]  
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If you look around you can still find kegs of 844 Mil Surp pull-down powder, which is the same as H335 for less than 1/2 the price.




#13338230 - 12/06/18 Re: H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]  
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I use h335 in my .223, 6x45, 6x6.8, 224 Valkyrie, 20P, 204R, in every type of weather in 6 states without a hiccup in the last 40 someodd years of reloading.


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#13339201 - 12/07/18 Re: H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets [Re: foogle]  
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Originally Posted by foogle
Have used h335 in ,220 swift,. In heat and in cold. For over 40 years. Have not had any bad experience yet.


WOW you must be running a really light load or are really lucky........or really don't shoot that combo much in hot weather.

#13339216 - 12/07/18 Re: H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]  
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I had good results with H335 for a long time, until once I didn't. Twice in one day. I pulled the rest, all the charges were a-ok so I became instantly paranoid. Shrapnel, however, is exempt from all the afflictions of mere peasants.

Twere me, tho, with 40s I'd look more toward an H322 burn rate. But that's why we handload, stuff works different for everyone.


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#13339653 - 12/07/18 Re: H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]  
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The grandkids (and I) shoot the 223 year round here in central Texas. Temps run from freezing to 105 degrees. The standard load is H335 under 40 gr Nosler BTs. Not a max load, but it is ‘warm’. Been doing that for years. No problems. And I use that powder under 55 gr BTs, 60 gr Partitions, and 65 gr Sierra GKs. The 65 gr GKs did however, shoot the best over AA2230.

#13339825 - 12/07/18 Re: H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]  
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I shot many pounds of 335 in 223s with 40 and 50 grain bullets. It worked great.
I switched to Benchmark only to reduce the number of powders I was using. BM. Shot better in some my other rifles/cartridges and did well in my 223s, so I dropped 335.


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#13340912 - 12/07/18 Re: H335 for .223's & 40 gr. bullets [Re: Grand]  
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Originally Posted by Grand
If you look around you can still find kegs of 844 Mil Surp pull-down powder, which is the same as H335 for less than 1/2 the price.



I've got an 8 pound jug of 844, and about 10 pounds of 846, which is pretty much BLC-2. I prefer the 846 and have gotten excellent accuracy with it. Nothing wrong with H335 either.

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