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Hey guys I'm looking at getting a 99 in 284 caliber in used but fair condition asking price is 1075.00. I guess this is a two part question, two years from now is going to be my 40th. I'm playing doing a guided elk or moose hunt and would love to do it with a 99 so from research almost any of the available calibers are cable of the job, I was leaning towards 308, or 358, but then the 284 popped up. So looking for any available input thanks in advance for the help

If you're talking about the one in Medford Oregon I've seen that one in person and it's fairly uninspiring. I won't say it'll ever happen in the history of mankind again, but my last two .284's have been less than $800 each and both really nice. If you have time just be patient.

They perform absolutely fantastically. I shoot the 145 grain Speer BTSP bullet due to shape and length. Killed both deer and bear with it. My game shots have all been close but I've fired the rifle to several hundred yards with good success. I sight mine in for 225 yards.

The other heavy hitter is the 358 and they're also great for bigger game. Recoil is manageable performance is stellar. I shoot the 200 grain Hornady spire point but there are other good 358 bullets.

Thanks it's on gun broker but closer look puts it in Oregon so I'm guessing that is the one.

Hard to find any nice 284 below $1000. Don't know this one, so can't comment on it specifically. I've grabbed 2 that I found that were under $800, but I've been watching a looong time. There's also a lot of folks asking $1000+ for ones with a lot of use, I see those guys sit on those guns for quite a while.

Ballistically it's close to the 7mm08, so I wouldn't hesitate to take it elk hunting with using a good bullet.

I sold a 99c in .284 last year for around $1600. And it was not a rat.

What can you load a 284 up too?

I have the opinion the 99 action and the 300 savage is as good as it gets?

Am I missing ballistic improvement in the " newer " made models?

As in less older ones?

Like the 50 s 60 s 70 s?

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I think there are better choices than the 284 for elk or moose, but a good bullet and good shooting will get the job done.

I can tell you from experience that big elk die harder than big moose. I'd feel better about shooting 180 grain+ well constructed bullets at either of those two critters.

Finding a good deal for a 284 online is kind of tough. Many are overpriced in my opinion. Don’t bite.

I have found two 284s in really nice condition for $800 and $700. My 99C in 284 has killed a few bucks. Including a 10 point a few weeks back. I would use it for elk no problem. Actually, I would take it over the 308 Win just because.

Good luck.

What I am asking is what does factory 284 ammo even preform at?

What can re loads get 2 with the " modern savage 99".?

My mentor always states...." don't try 2 make a 99 into a 110!"........ I am paraphrasing him....he used Ruger 77 not savage 110 in the statement.

I have harvested 6 elk with the 300 savage. In my opinion it is freaking awesome!

John I haven't chronographed my 284, but sighted in at 225 yards with the 145 Speers, it was 17" low at 425 IIRC. Big IF! Haven't played with it in awhile so am going on memory.

I think that a nice lever safety 99F in 308 would be a better place to park $1k.

Other than the cool factor, there is a lot of downside to the 284. Lack of factory ammo, the price of factory ammo when/if you can find it, the fact that you instantly run into COAL issues with most bullets over 140 grains if your reload, etc., etc., etc.

The single Winchester/Olin 150 grain factory load is almost identical, performance wise, to a variety of much less expensive 150 grain 308 factory loads. MV of 2,860 fps for the 150 grain 284 load verses 2,820 for the 150 grain 308 PP load that costs about 1/3 as much and can be found in nearly every Wal-Mart. I don't think that it is a good idea to take a rifle chambered for a wildcat, obsolete, or hard to find cartridge on a important hunting trip unless you bring a spare/extra rifle that is chambered for a common, easy to find, cartridge in the event that your hard to find ammo gets misplaced somewhere between your home and wherever you're going to hunt. I usually bring along a spare/loaner in 30-06 for this very reason.

That said, it is easy for me to sit back and look that the 284 objectively 'cause I've owned a lot of them, still have a few, and haven't shot any of them in at least a decade. Heck, I probably have a couple dozen yellow boxes of Winchester/Olin 125 grain factory loads in a tote box at the storage unit and even more of the yellow and white box 150 grain factory loads.

That is what I currently own it was my dad's who is no longer with me and I would love to take a elk or moose with one. There is a excellent thread in the big game section comparing the 338 fed and 358 win. And it looks like the general consensus is loaded correctly with a proper bullet the 308 is the better option ballistically. My big game in NY is pretty much limited to whitetail so I don't have much experience with large game requirements

That is my point.

The savage 99 s I have owned in 308 were unable to handle the 308 loads I developed if I used a bolt action or a Winchester 88 or a BLR . As is I had to mark them separately in the boxes. This was most evident in warmer weather. I just read a thread where Mule Deer was explaining how above 70 degrees F and above can spike pressures ( even with extruded powder)

I only have had a handful though. The 300 savage case was the inspiration for the win 308 case. So I think economically the 300 savage is hands down the cats meow 4 the savage 99 action.

Perhaps them white collared some beaches in the upper floors of the savage arms plant earned their pay by knowing something?

As I side note I hunted two years with a BLR 7 08. I have decided to not do that anymore.

A most excellent source of reading on Terminal Ballistics is on the internet. It is called Terminal Ballistic Research. This is a New Zealand based writer. In New Zealand hunting big game is way different than here. They can harvest a lot more animals per day/ year etc. Therefore the author gets a larger sample size to necropsy and observe antemortem behavior.

I have found it most excellent and interesting.

As another observation the 308 case may be beneficial versus the 300 savage may be in the ability to put a longer projectile in the cartridge. How ever if the magazine stays at the 2.6 inches I believe the model 99 needs to function it may be a non benefit.

I am not sure but maybe the magazine length was altered for the 308?

I used to be a staunch advocate of with cup and core bullets a minimum of 165 grain in 308 caliber.

But through my own experience and debate here on the campfire I now choose the 160 grain FTX by Hornady. Especially the ones cannelured to fit the 308 marlin express.

Setting COAL at 2.6 inches I believe ( I am at The reloading bench right now). And having the brass trimmed to spec by a Lee trimmer gauge. The case will crimp on da nuts!

I also advocate lever lotion powder, and am beginning to believe the cci 250 primer as my go to ignition system.

I have shot a few deer with the 308WIN, 338FED, and 358WIN. If I was a handloader and had to pick 1 of those 3, I would pick the 338FED and never look back.

A few years ago, I contacted JES Reboring about doing a 338FED on a Savage 99. Mr. Ocumpaugh told me that he has done a couple and that the users were getting high pressure signs with factory ammo, so he advised against doing that job. I have not bothered to pursue it again, as I have a Ruger Hawkeye that fills my 338FED niche and a 356WIN that fills my medium bore lever action rifle niche.

Jeff I wonder if JES's problems with reboring to 338 Fed had something to do with his particular equipment or tolerances? I haven't had any trouble with my 99 in 338. Mine is loaded with 160 gr Barnes ttsx.

I agree. They're the same guys that chambered the 99 in 284.

Angus 1895, do you mind sharing your Leverevolution load data for the 300 Savage, plus any velocity data? I have been playing with LVR powder in both the 300 Savage and the 303 Savage. I am noticing a little bit of primer push back on the 303's, not sure if it is a headspace issue or a pressure issue. I am not sure how to check headspace on a 303. Anyhow I read a thread one time that primers can also push back in M99's if the pressure is too low, as the discharge does not force the case back into the bolt face, but I am not sure if that could even be a possibility with my load - I am using 36 gr LVR w/ a 150 gr HORN RN and CCI 200 primer, 38.5 gr LVR is max in a 30-30

I will when I get home.
I found the 303 liked the low end of the range. I was using 180 silvertips.

The 300 was actually given to me on this forum by a Wisconsin member. But when I get home I will share it.

It is my observation that in the shorter carbine length barrels the lever lotion powder out performed this h 4895.

I know a lot of members here love RL 15. I don't use RL 15 because them tall bottles they sell it in don't fit my shelf.

P.S. fireball you missed my point. The 300 savage cartridge is in house production. The 284 Winchester is well.......

Wait 4 it...........

Winchesters baby.