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There are some circumstances where heavier bullets and exit holes make a lot of difference, the ability to penetrate deep, make a wide wound channel and an exit hole mean a lot in thick timber hunting.


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Originally Posted by elkhunternm
Group from my .460 Wby using 95.0 grains of Var-Get with a 500 grain Hornady DGX at 100 yards. Velocity average is 2300 fps.
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I was glad to have my “minimum” .300 Weatherby this November during my elk hunt. Shot at first light at 225 yards with no time to dink around with rangefinder and shooting stick. Hold center mass and let it rip, bang flop! 168 TTSX did its job. Happy Trails


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Where in center mass did the 168 land?

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I had a boiler room bang flop once. 200 grain Speer 338 Win mag. Big old breeder doe at bout 35 yards. She pulled her legs up and bounced when she hit the ground. Her heart was obliterated. Bang flops generally involve some form of CNS disruption in my experience though.


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many many good elk cartridges to use and it does kinda depend on money,rifle you like and if you can handle reoil. my personal choice for regular elk hunting a 300 win. mag, long range elk hunting my custom 338 lapua but the next guy might like a 30-30 ,243 win. 30-06 whatever many ways to kill a elk,my biggest bull scored 374 B.C. and that was with a drawn bow and arrow. I still prefer a bow over a rifle so in my eyes any centerfire rifle or musket can kill a elk just fine if you know how to shoot well.


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The minimum cartridge I would want to use on elk in Wyoming would be a 7x57 or a 7-08. I have seen elk killed with 243 rifles but I have seen elk that got away after being hit with them also. Same with the 25-06. Since I don't have to use the minimum I would use I would take a 270, 7MM RM, 30-06, 300 Win mag, 338 Win mag or a 35 Whelen. I have killed elk with these rifles and would feel comfortable using them again. Were I to hunt Roosevelt elk in western Washington state my minimum would be a light 358 Winchester pushing 250 grain bullets. I guess a 338 Federal would be just as good. My choices are based on personal experience in those two states.


On more than one occasion, I've dug 100gr .243 caliber Nosler Partitions out of Wyoming elk I killed with lager guns, such as the preferred cartridges you describe above. It's not all that difficult to tell who's really hunted Wyoming elk in wild country....


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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The minimum cartridge I would want to use on elk in Wyoming would be a 7x57 or a 7-08. I have seen elk killed with 243 rifles but I have seen elk that got away after being hit with them also. Same with the 25-06. Since I don't have to use the minimum I would use I would take a 270, 7MM RM, 30-06, 300 Win mag, 338 Win mag or a 35 Whelen. I have killed elk with these rifles and would feel comfortable using them again. Were I to hunt Roosevelt elk in western Washington state my minimum would be a light 358 Winchester pushing 250 grain bullets. I guess a 338 Federal would be just as good. My choices are based on personal experience in those two states.


On more than one occasion, I've dug 100gr .243 caliber Nosler Partitions out of Wyoming elk I killed with lager guns, such as the preferred cartridges you describe above. It's not all that difficult to tell who's really hunted Wyoming elk in wild country....


Just curious, did you dig them out of the ass, or lungs?

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The minimum cartridge I would want to use on elk in Wyoming would be a 7x57 or a 7-08. I have seen elk killed with 243 rifles but I have seen elk that got away after being hit with them also. Same with the 25-06. Since I don't have to use the minimum I would use I would take a 270, 7MM RM, 30-06, 300 Win mag, 338 Win mag or a 35 Whelen. I have killed elk with these rifles and would feel comfortable using them again. Were I to hunt Roosevelt elk in western Washington state my minimum would be a light 358 Winchester pushing 250 grain bullets. I guess a 338 Federal would be just as good. My choices are based on personal experience in those two states.


On more than one occasion, I've dug 100gr .243 caliber Nosler Partitions out of Wyoming elk I killed with lager guns, such as the preferred cartridges you describe above. It's not all that difficult to tell who's really hunted Wyoming elk in wild country....


Just curious, did you dig them out of the ass, or lungs?


Out of the ass end. That's why you need something big enough to make it to the lungs from the ass end or hard rear quartering shots.

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Or dont shoot things in the ass. (That's what she said)

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Where in center mass did the 168 land?

Just curious!


Well, Center Mass might not be the best description. Center crosshair halfway between backline and brisket, BANG! on quick shots at modest ranges. This one landed behind the shoulder and took out both lungs and exited. If I was smart enough to figure it out, I'd post a picture.


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Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
Or dont shoot things in the ass. (That's what she said)


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Several years ago I killed a bull that had been shot dead center in the guts by another guy packing a 338 win. shooting 225 grain pills. I'm sure he would have sealed the deal eventually, but he was out of ammo from missing shots on two other elk and two follow up shots on this bull. They came and found me since they were out of options. When I found the bull bedded I put one behind his shoulder. When he fled down the 40* slope through burned trees and boulders, I planted one in the back of his head and the bull's suffering was over.

None of the shots I was presented on that day were ideal, yet the little 6.5 x 55 got it done. I might not choose the 6.5 if the task was ass shooting elk, but I choose to not ass shoot elk.

I think far more elk are wounded and lost due to poor ethics, bad choices, and a lack of ability then to insufficient cartridges. As others have mentioned, putting the proper bullet in the proper location is key. I also believe that far more "bullet failures" are a result of bad shooting over shoddy bullet construction.

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The minimum cartridge I would be comfortable with?. A 6,5 Creed or similar using a 130 grain quality bullet at 2700 fps or more. A .300 Savage 150 grain would be fine with me as well.

The two I use the most?. A .30-06 with 180NPT's or a .338 Win Mag with 225 TBBC's has been my choice for several years. Before that it was a .308 Win.

That said, three of my female relatives have been using .243's and 6mm Remingtons for well over 25 years with reliable results.

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"None of the shots I was presented on that day were ideal, yet the little 6.5 x 55 got it done. I might not choose the 6.5 if the task was ass shooting elk, but I choose to not ass shoot elk.

I think far more elk are wounded and lost due to poor ethics, bad choices, and a lack of ability then to insufficient cartridges. As others have mentioned, putting the proper bullet in the proper location is key. I also believe that far more "bullet failures" are a result of bad shooting over shoddy bullet construction."


Pretty much says it all right there!


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Originally Posted by Ulvejaeger

"None of the shots I was presented on that day were ideal, yet the little 6.5 x 55 got it done. I might not choose the 6.5 if the task was ass shooting elk, but I choose to not ass shoot elk.

I think far more elk are wounded and lost due to poor ethics, bad choices, and a lack of ability then to insufficient cartridges. As others have mentioned, putting the proper bullet in the proper location is key. I also believe that far more "bullet failures" are a result of bad shooting over shoddy bullet construction."


Pretty much says it all right there!


I can ethically take more shots with a .338 Win Mag than I can with a .243.


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My hunting party has been killing elk in SW Colorado since the 70’s, probably 50-60 head in that time and mostly bulls in the last 20 years. I’ve only ever heard of one elk being hit and not recovered, there haven’t been any since I started going in 2001. The largest cartridge used would be a 30/06 or a 7RM. The vast majority have been killed with the 270WCF. That’s how I figured Boddington was FOS at an early age. He was always blowing about the 270 being too small for elk.

Most of the guys in camp are fond of Partitions though there is no agreement on weight and it hasn’t seemed to matter. The one uncle who is responsible for nearly half of our total is an especially big fan of the 150 NPT at 2750 in his 270 or the 162 Hornady from his 7 mag.

We’ve killed elk from 10 yards to over 500.

I’ve used the the 260, 257 and 270 Weatherbys, and the good old 30/06. Stick a good bullet in the front half and they’re done pretty soon.

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Originally Posted by TheKid
My hunting party has been killing elk in SW Colorado since the 70’s, probably 50-60 head in that time and mostly bulls in the last 20 years. I’ve only ever heard of one elk being hit and not recovered, there haven’t been any since I started going in 2001. The largest cartridge used would be a 30/06 or a 7RM. The vast majority have been killed with the 270WCF. That’s how I figured Boddington was FOS at an early age. He was always blowing about the 270 being too small for elk.

Most of the guys in camp are fond of Partitions though there is no agreement on weight and it hasn’t seemed to matter. The one uncle who is responsible for nearly half of our total is an especially big fan of the 150 NPT at 2750 in his 270 or the 162 Hornady from his 7 mag.

We’ve killed elk from 10 yards to over 500.

I’ve used the the 260, 257 and 270 Weatherbys, and the good old 30/06. Stick a good bullet in the front half and they’re done pretty soon.


Enlighten us about the 260 Weatherby you killed elk with....


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My hunting party has been killing elk in SW Colorado since the 70’s, probably 50-60 head in that time and mostly bulls in the last 20 years. I’ve only ever heard of one elk being hit and not recovered, there haven’t been any since I started going in 2001. The largest cartridge used would be a 30/06 or a 7RM. The vast majority have been killed with the 270WCF. That’s how I figured Boddington was FOS at an early age. He was always blowing about the 270 being too small for elk.

Most of the guys in camp are fond of Partitions though there is no agreement on weight and it hasn’t seemed to matter. The one uncle who is responsible for nearly half of our total is an especially big fan of the 150 NPT at 2750 in his 270 or the 162 Hornady from his 7 mag.

We’ve killed elk from 10 yards to over 500.

I’ve used the the 260, 257 and 270 Weatherbys, and the good old 30/06. Stick a good bullet in the front half and they’re done pretty soon.


Enlighten us about the 260 Weatherby you killed elk with....

Whoops. It was just a M7 in 260rem. Punctuation is important.

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Ulvejaeger

"None of the shots I was presented on that day were ideal, yet the little 6.5 x 55 got it done. I might not choose the 6.5 if the task was ass shooting elk, but I choose to not ass shoot elk.

I think far more elk are wounded and lost due to poor ethics, bad choices, and a lack of ability then to insufficient cartridges. As others have mentioned, putting the proper bullet in the proper location is key. I also believe that far more "bullet failures" are a result of bad shooting over shoddy bullet construction."


Pretty much says it all right there!


I can ethically take more shots with a .338 Win Mag than I can with a .243.


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