Home Forums Reloading Varmint Rifles For P. Dogs and Gophers and the ,223 what wt. bullet!!

I was just looking in the Nosler and Hodgdon load data for 223 with 35 gr bullet and cannot find any load that achieves over 3900 fps, with most of them nearer 3800 fps for top end loads. What load data are you using to get 4400 fps with the 35 gr NTX?

That could be an interesting combo if one can safely get 4400 fps out of it.

drover

You can't, from a 223 Rem, you might get 3900 and change. 4400 fps isn't possible. You have to step up to a Swift or similar. He's quoting about the bullet from information that Hornady has published.

My favorite bullet for a slow twist 223

While normally I would agree with you, but a 30 grain w/Accurate 2200 loaded to 62,350 psi clocks out of a 24” tube 4300+ and a 35 @ 4150. Longer tube, tight chamber and guts then who knows. As far as the Swift, 4050 w/52 to 4435 w/45. Burnt up that tube quick.

He was asking about a 223 Rem and getting 4400 fps with a 35 gr. Hornady. He's not going to get 4400 fps from a 223 using any 35 grain bullet - safely.

Actually I was hoping Seafire would respond to this and clarify it. The way it is written in the reply to the post - "Re: For P. Dogs and Gophers and the ,223 what wt. bullet!!" - it appears to be in reference to a 223 with the 35 gr NTX getting 4400 fps. I was would like to know if that was a typo or if it was in reference to some other cartridge achieving that velocity with the 35 gr NTX. I do not see anything in any manuals suggesting more than 3900 fps out of a 223 using a 35 gr bullet.

Going back to Seafire's post on page 1 he wrote about the 22/250 but in reference to 40 and 53 gr bullets, I expect that he may have meant to say he was getting 4400 fps out of a 22/250 and the 35 gr bullets. Hopefully he will read this and clear it up.

drover

So you are essentially testifying you have tried to see what might be the max velocity obtainable, personally...

or are you going to use the old campfire tried and trued excuse of " I'm smart enough to know that it is physically impossible... and if someone does, it can't possibly be safe".. is that what you are telling us, instead of telling us you've personally never really tried to see what the max velocity might be? Therefore, just making a guess?

I'll share load data with folks I trust and respect on here.... not naythesayers acting like they are smarter than most other folks on here....

No I'm not quoting Hornady... another ASS-UMPTION on your part...

Have YOU ever even worked with a 35 grain NTX?

or a 24 grain NTX in 20 caliber?

Poor fellow.

I think you're right. He probably meant to say that, but had a senior moment. Now he's trying to deflect his misstep by barking at me. A toothless dog. Too bad he's so full of anger that he cannot stick with the subject at hand.

FWIW, Hornady MAX data with the 35gr. NTX for the 223 is 600 fps. slower than 4400 fps....

Wrong again Snowflake....

Might be full of chuckling at you....

hey ya don't wanna believe it, then don't....

pretty simple concept...

but it shows... you've never worked with that bullet, and you've never tried to see what potential max velocity might be with it, have ya....

thought so...

223, 35 NTX, Ruger 77 VT

Then there is faster velocities out of a 22.250...

Ruger 77 Mk 2, in 22.250.... 35 NTX Hornady






And to think I survived working up these loads...

and the Ruger survived..

and the Brass survived to be used multiple reloads...

yeah a little hands on experience goes a lot further than just philosophizing about handloading
or Regurgitating what you might read in some load manual... when you look at a load manual
do you pay attention to what pressure they might say is max load?
or maybe you might even be thinking that this is a powder that might be listed in your load manual info?

decisions, decisions, decisions...

There you go. If you could manage to stop being so hateful, and explain yourself, things would be better for you.

Just so you know, I do not believe that the picture of a chrono displaying 4417 fps was a 223 reading. Have fun.

Steve,

Go to your room.

The adults are talking.

One thing for sure, The water in Southern Oregon has to be tested. One would have to wonder how 2 rifles got blown up loading H335.

At least you got a few answers. It sounds like you have an excuse to order some more 40 gr. VMaxes and start testing. Not that you need an excuse to go shooting.

WCH, since I don’t have many places to dog shoot my favorites are 50-52 and 55’s for the 223. 3500 for 50, 3450 for 52’s and close to 3400 w/55’s using Benchmark and 24” tube is easily attainable and all the velocity needed for yotes.
If I need more velocity I jump to a 22.250 or a 220 Swift.
The only time I played with 40’s was to see how fast I could push them. They were accurate enough and helped me finish off that Swift barrel, since rebarreled I have not had the urge to see if I could bust that 4500 w/26” tube instead of 24.

Steve Redgwell, as I said published data for 556 gets damn close to his velocity’s as I myself have no desire at this time to load that hot, I can’t say that it’s impossible w/26” or longer tube. According to Cooper I wasn’t supposed to be getting 4050 out of a 24” tube with a 52 and 1/2 grain under max w/2700 but I did. So again I can’t say for certain that 4400 is impossible.

Thanks Swifty.

I would have to see evidence of the 35 gr. Hornady bullet managing 4400 fps or more safely. I'm afraid a picture of a chronograph screen doesn't do it for me.

One of 2 things, a broken chronograph or not a 223...