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#13441019 - 01/11/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: saddlesore]  
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#13441503 - 01/11/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: liliysdad]  
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Originally Posted by liliysdad
.....I figure Colorado just isnt worth the hassle.


Yes, that's the decision any NR hunter has to make.



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#13441650 - 01/11/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: smokepole]  
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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by liliysdad
.....I figure Colorado just isnt worth the hassle.


Yes, that's the decision any NR hunter has to make.


Exactly. The powers that be have set the requirements and now each individual has to make that decision whether it is worth it or not. I agree that is sucks, whether you're a resident or not. It's just more painful if you're a NR.

Montana did the same thing to me years ago. I used to go there every year to hunt with my buddies and I enjoyed the heck out of it. However, when Montana decided to stick it to the NR and double the tag price, that is when I decided I didn't need a Montana deer that bad and quit going. Did my decision affect Montana's decision and their budget? Not at all because there were plenty of other people standing in line to hand Montana their money for the same tag. This is what will happen in CO. CO knows what's happened in other states when they do this, i.e. that hunters will continue to pay. The only way they would rethink what they're doing is if the NRs as a whole, quit applying. And, you can see from this thread that that won't happen. There are a number here that won't apply anymore due to the cost but there seems to be just as many, if not more, that will continue to apply, even with the increased cost. So it goes...

As a side note, if we could get the legislature to agree to tax all the mountain bikers, hikers, kayakers, etc. the same way they tax/charge hunters, we wouldn't be having this discussion, I bet!

#13441685 - 01/11/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: test1328]  
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Originally Posted by test1328
As a side note, if we could get the legislature to agree to tax all the mountain bikers, hikers, kayakers, etc. the same way they tax/charge hunters, we wouldn't be having this discussion, I bet!


Nope,all those fees would go to BLM or Forest department for use of the land. Hunters pay for the ability to hunt.Right now if you are not hunting, you pay zip to use that land. CPW would not see a penny of those fees. However,maybe less money would be bled out of CPW .Like out of that part of the pie chart they show that says payments to other agencies. Or they could get out of the real estate business of owning water impoundments and wildlife areas.Turn them into state lands


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#13441694 - 01/11/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: ELKiller]  
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Originally Posted by ELKiller
BUT, I am seriously curious to know how it can be legal for a Government to require the purchase of a unwanted/unneeded license, in order to purchase another? Have any of the other states, with similar requirements, ever been legally challenged on this?


Kind of hard to make a case that any government agency is requiring anyone to purchase a license to hunt.



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#13441722 - 01/11/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: saddlesore]  
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By OTC do you mean left-over tags drawings?

Alaska requires $80 NR hunting license to apply for drawings. This can be done at same time. Can both be done at same time in CO?


The history of drawing tags up here goes about like this:

At first, one could apply for one species(each) in one GMU only.

Then they went up to 3 apps permitted, but only one app per GMU

Now, it is up to 6 apps each species, and all can be for same area.

For most species, resident app fees are either $5 or $10. I'd have to check, but I think it is same for NR. NR require $$$ locking tags if drawn.


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#13441731 - 01/11/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: saddlesore]  
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The cost of the additional fee is additional revenue, nothing more, nothing less.....habitat stamp, fishing license, and Elk license to go Elk hunting,
what I find troubling is anyone who questions this, is labeled a whiner.

Tomorrow maybe your turn.

#13441869 - 01/11/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: saddlesore]  
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Well.... Since I'm the one who coined 'whiner', I'll esplain the difference betwixt my thought process, and them'uns. I won't bitch, moan, cry, threaten to stay to home, question, pout or otherwise complain on the innerweb like a little baby bambino, about the costs of hunting (whether those costs are shickenchit, or not). I'll just quietly suck it up, and save, scrimp, beg, borrow, rob Peter to pay Paul, etc. and go hunting....And if I decide the fees and costs are too high, and decide to forego, I won't crow from the mountaintop(or soapbox) about how 'unfair' life is, or try to make myself a martyr over the worlds injustices to non-residents, thru my 'principles' on the web. I'll either 'cowboy-the-fugg-up', OR 'shut-the-fugg-up'.....Evidently, few share these thoughts.

#13441890 - 01/11/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: huntsman22]  
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Don, I think a lot of people share those thoughts, they're just not posting on this thread.

las, OTC=over the counter (no draw).

PS, after reading this thread I am outraged over what I had to pay to hunt sheep in Alaska.

Outraged, I tell ya!

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#13442048 - 01/11/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: saddlesore]  
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Originally Posted by saddlesore
Originally Posted by test1328
As a side note, if we could get the legislature to agree to tax all the mountain bikers, hikers, kayakers, etc. the same way they tax/charge hunters, we wouldn't be having this discussion, I bet!


Nope,all those fees would go to BLM or Forest department for use of the land. Hunters pay for the ability to hunt.Right now if you are not hunting, you pay zip to use that land. CPW would not see a penny of those fees. However,maybe less money would be bled out of CPW .Like out of that part of the pie chart they show that says payments to other agencies. Or they could get out of the real estate business of owning water impoundments and wildlife areas.Turn them into state lands


You're right about this, I agree. However, I'm sure the legislature could come up with a plan in no time at all to get some funds to CPW if they wanted to. Why not a license to operate a kayak or mountain bike in CO that would go to CPW? Or, a one time CPW fee of $100 for every mountain bike, kayak, etc. that is sold in CO? They do similar to fund tourism in CO by charging an extra fee (tax) on your hotel stay. With some creativity and the right legislation, I'm sure it could be done. However, I doubt we would ever see it.

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#13442239 - 01/11/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: huntsman22]  
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Don,with all due respect, chill the fugg out.

You're not the first, nor the last to use the word 'whiner' in these NR/R threads.

regarding the irony of your last post, "crowing from the rooftop,"

Don't recall you ever having 7 posts in a single thread,

point being, It can be, and usually is, an emotional and highly discussed topic for both sides.

#13442313 - 01/11/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: test1328]  
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Originally Posted by test1328

You're right about this, I agree. However, I'm sure the legislature could come up with a plan in no time at all to get some funds to CPW if they wanted to. Why not a license to operate a kayak or mountain bike in CO that would go to CPW? Or, a one time CPW fee of $100 for every mountain bike, kayak, etc. that is sold in CO? They do similar to fund tourism in CO by charging an extra fee (tax) on your hotel stay. With some creativity and the right legislation, I'm sure it could be done. However, I doubt we would ever see it.


Agree but the touchy-feally outdoorsey crowd would a seizure


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#13442409 - 01/11/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: smokepole]  
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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by ELKiller
BUT, I am seriously curious to know how it can be legal for a Government to require the purchase of a unwanted/unneeded license, in order to purchase another? Have any of the other states, with similar requirements, ever been legally challenged on this?


Kind of hard to make a case that any government agency is requiring anyone to purchase a license to hunt.


Really? How hard is that case to make?

Step 1) Decide I want to hunt elk in Colorado (no interest in any other hunting)
Step 2) Try to apply for an archery elk license, but in order to do so, the state is requiring me to purchase an unrelated license for something I have no interest in hunting.

I’m no lawyer, but to me, it seems like a pretty darned simple case to make.

Trust me, I’m all for CPW finding ways to raise revenue, but this just doesn’t feel right to me. Let’s call a spade a spade... or an application fee.

#13442502 - 01/11/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: saddlesore]  
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I think what Smoke is saying is the government isn't forcing you to buy a license. If you don't want to ,you don't have to.However,if you want to go hunting, which in CO is a privilege,not a right, then they make you buy that license.Like someone has already posted,it isn't anything except and other fee and they can't call it a tax .

It's like the road and bridge fee on CO vehicle registration. If they called them a tax,voters would have had to vote on it. Knowing that wouldn't pass,they called them a fee. CPW is doing the same thing with the blessing of the stare legislator.


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#13442586 - 01/11/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: huntsman22]  
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Originally Posted by huntsman22
Well.... Since I'm the one who coined 'whiner', I'll esplain the difference betwixt my thought process, and them'uns. I won't bitch, moan, cry, threaten to stay to home, question, pout or otherwise complain on the innerweb like a little baby bambino, about the costs of hunting (whether those costs are shickenchit, or not). I'll just quietly suck it up, and save, scrimp, beg, borrow, rob Peter to pay Paul, etc. and go hunting....And if I decide the fees and costs are too high, and decide to forego, I won't crow from the mountaintop(or soapbox) about how 'unfair' life is, or try to make myself a martyr over the worlds injustices to non-residents, thru my 'principles' on the web. I'll either 'cowboy-the-fugg-up', OR 'shut-the-fugg-up'.....Evidently, few share these thoughts.


You didn't coin whiner on this subject. "Alamosa" accused me of whining about it back in mid-December! LMAO That's right; Cowboy Up ! or STFU


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#13442734 - 01/11/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: saddlesore]  
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Well, crap... I SO wanted to be first....

#13442799 - 01/11/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: saddlesore]  
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Originally Posted by saddlesore
I think what Smoke is saying is the government isn't forcing you to buy a license. If you don't want to ,you don't have to.However,if you want to go hunting, which in CO is a privilege,not a right, then they make you buy that license.Like someone has already posted,it isn't anything except and other fee and they can't call it a tax .

It's like the road and bridge fee on CO vehicle registration. If they called them a tax,voters would have had to vote on it. Knowing that wouldn't pass,they called them a fee. CPW is doing the same thing with the blessing of the stare legislator.


Yeah, I understand all that... I just wish they’d call it what it is. If I went to my local forest service office to buy my fire wood cutting permits, only to be told that I must also buy a camping permit... well, I’d probably raise hell about it.

Whom ever administers the allocation of Pitman Robertson funds should fix this “loop hole” so that the monies are actually distributed as intended. Now all the states are basically stuck with jumping on the band wagon, or get left behind... and we have to pay for it out of our pocket.

#13443465 - 01/11/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: saddlesore]  
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I guess it comes down to the question, "Do you want to hunt in Colorado?" I live here and so I'll pay the fee. Were I from somewhere else probably not since I couldn't afford the out of state fees, and have to be content to hunt my home state. If you really want to you'll find a way!


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#13443611 - 01/11/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: saddlesore]  
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We "wife and I" don't live in Colorado but we still want more seasons in the west.

So it will cost us $160 more this year......that's just $13.33 a month.


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#13444020 - 01/12/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: saddlesore]  
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I loved CO. Just can't handle the liberal politics going on there. Sure hate that for all the great residents that are there too! A shame it is.

Fees will be what they have to be. Always have been and always will be. Other states like our beloved AK, require a license to apply also. It is what it is.

We have the ability to choose where to spend the money, and like gas costs that all complain about, things will be relative at some point or another.

Life is certainly not easy or a joy ride.


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#13444137 - 01/12/19 Re: New Colorado Application requirement [Re: saddlesore]  
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I’m sure this is whining too, but the vast majority of public hunting lands is on National Forests, i.e. support by the nation’s tax payers not just CO residents. I know the locals will say the herd in a state ‘property', but it still bothers me the discrepancy in price to hunt on the federal lands. I guess this is the reason the bikers/hikers get away without paying since they aren’t chasing critters.

I just did some checking on our Ohio DNR site. Non residents are required to buy a annual hunting license ($146.12) and then can purchase a deer permit for ($41.60). A resident also has to buy an annual hunting license first ($19) and then can purchase a deer tag ($24).

I think what non-residents are bothered principally, is the the discrepancy in costs being so much higher for non-residents that is appears we are being saddled with the costs to support the herd. With leasing in the East, and higher and higher prices out West, it really is becoming a rich man's sport. Sad but truth, I really doubt we have 1-2 generations of normal hunting left (if not completely outlawed) it will mirror EU.

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