What is everyone's personal distance limit and o what game species? So if the conditions are right for you, where do you draw the line? Personally, whitetail deer in Michigan and antelope in Wyoming, I've had a 550 limit, but longest kills have been 500 and 532 Elk in Colorado I've figured 500 limit, but longest has been 420 Shooting a 338 rum, 210 swift scirocco at 3250
Today was first day shooting past 550. Went to 640. Hit milk jugs but need plenty more practice.
I killed a 79” antelope in Wyoming this past year at 458 which is my longest big game kill. Having shot steel out to 800 yards and seeing how much the wind pushes even fast sleek bullets, not sure my desire right now to shoot at game much past 550-600. At least not till I master reading the wind down range.
Well I like to put the hunt into hunting and see how close I can get not how far I can do it. With my recurve bow 25 yards on deer and 40yards on elk. With a muzzle loader 150yards max but longest kill on elk with one is 40yards on deer 50yrds. With rifle 150 yards is my longest kill. For me it is way more exciting to have a big game animal closer at distance it is just a target to me. I do not hunt in blinds or treestands with cover around me I want the animal to have a chance to see me I have to do my part to fool them it is way more exciting to me that way. Yes I do loose some game that way but as I like to call it iI am hunting not just shooting this just the way I do it not saying it is the only way don't care how others do it it is just how I do it. Widow
Well I like to put the hunt into hunting and see how close I can get not how far I can do it. With my recurve bow 25 yards on deer and 40yards on elk. With a muzzle loader 150yards max but longest kill on elk with one is 40yards on deer 50yrds. With rifle 150 yards is my longest kill. For me it is way more exciting to have a big game animal closer at distance it is just a target to me. I do not hunt in blinds or treestands with cover around me I want the animal to have a chance to see me I have to do my part to fool them it is way more exciting to me that way. Yes I do loose some game that way but as I like to call it iI am hunting not just shooting this just the way I do it not saying it is the only way don't care how others do it it is just how I do it. Widow
You do realize you are posting in a Long Range Hunting forum, right?
Never underestimate your ability to overestimate your ability.
600 yards under perfect conditions. Longest ever is 487, cow elk, ..338WM/225g AB @ 2742fps MV.
Passed on a cow at 479 this year because I wanted Daughter #1 to get her first and she wasn't comfortable past 400, although she shoots further at the range. .308 Win / 130g TTSX @ 3045fps MV. She has used that load to take antelope at about 350.
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My longest shots on animals don't approach "long range hunting" distances. That said, it depends on the immediate weather. If there is more than a breeze, I don't like to have to "steer" bullets into animals. I've shot a lot of water bottles and targets in those conditions, but not big animals. I've never had to aim off-hair due to wind, and I wouldn't take that shot. I seriously dislike aiming out of vitals due to wind as well. My longest shots have come mostly in the morning in completely calm conditions, or in the evening, with mostly calm conditions. If everything was right, I'd consider taking a shot on deer to 600, and an elk to 700. My farthest shots on deer have been bit short of this distance, and my farthest shots on elk have been well short of it. There have been places I've set up where such shots would have been required, but the animals didn't cooperate, or the wind didn't. All this is dependent on the sort of rest I can get as well. I pack shooting sticks, and have a lot of confidence in my ability to hit using them, but sometimes I haven't been able to get comfortable and solid over sticks. I pass if I'm not feeling it. Not a "send the lead" guy.
Wind has been, and always will be, the determining factor for how far. Under ideal conditions, with the correct cartridge, rifle, stand - 600 yards on a whitetail or elk. Raise the wind, shorten the distance. Longest to date: whitetail doe w/ a 25-06 @ 563 yards.
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450 yards under ideal conditions. Longest shot a big mule deer at a little over 400. I shoot targets at 450 so I know the drop. Honestly it has been years since I have had to shoot past 200 yards.
My ability to have a solid shooting position, retrieval capacity, and wind always determine my shot choice on big game animals. Vermin, I will swing for the fence and collect a hit with skill or luck. As long as I’m not skylining a shot, the farther the better on pests. 😎
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648 yards LRF with angle comp on, shooting downhill...
2 years prior to that, it was 600 yards with my 300wsm in the same exact spot. Buck was on the sloping hillside to the left. ^^^^ I cal this my "longrange" buck tag. I put in for the tag every once in a while, when I feel like shooting further out, but it takes more preference points to get it.. Walking 700 yards down into this canyon is a biotch though..
In real light wind, I wouldn't be afraid of taking game at 800...
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
So many variables to limit to just one single distance. Cartridge used, and, temp if I am shivering or out of breath, bipod and bags, off hand, fog or mist limiting visibility, ground I am shooting off of, on an incline or not, and more.
Sometimes even 100 yards is a chore other times much further than that is totally possible with great confidence. O
500 yards was my goal when I started to dial and stretch it out. I would still consider it(500) my limit on medium/big game though I'm confident beyond that range with a few of my rifles.
So many variables to limit to just one single distance. Cartridge used, and, temp if I am shivering or out of breath, bipod and bags, off hand, fog or mist limiting visibility, ground I am shooting off of, on an incline or not, and more.
Sometimes even 100 yards is a chore other times much further than that is totally possible with great confidence. O
Based on your Avatar and some of the hunts you do...I’m thinking point blank, no scope range, would be a far shot 😁😎
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
Totally depends on conditions. Longest deer, 465, elk,420. If i`m not comfortable with conditions and can`t get closer, I don`t shoot. Please respect the game.
My longest was a 443-yard shot on a cow elk in Wyoming rim rocks. There was no chance to get closer. I have killed three, or four elk, three deer and one antelope at 400 or more. I have killed a lot of deer and quite a few elk and antelope and I have very rarely seen the need to shoot over 300 yards, let alone over 400. I shoot here at the house, out to 530, so I can do it, but I do not like to. It comes down to hunting, not shooting.
You did not "seen" anything, you "saw" it. A "creek" has water in it, a "crick" is what you get in your neck. Liberals with guns are nothing but hypocrites.
I feel pretty confident out to 500, though I passed on a 560 yard shot on an elk past season. Perfect shooting conditions, but late evening, in “serious” grizzly country. Didn’t want to risk, wounding an elks near dark! it had been morning.....would not have hesitated! Longest kill to date, 430 yards on an antelope.....seemed easy enough! memtb
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
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I don't currently have a max range. Actually I guess I do because at the moment I don't have a confident gun that I have HARD zero's on past 725. But it all depends. If the gun is capable and what the conditions are and what the animal is doing.
I've managed a 3 shot group before the wind twitched, IE I knew I had same conditions so dumped 3 off as fast as I could, at 1800 some yards, into roughly 8 inches or so. Nice triangle too. LOL.
Its so much more than a number, it has so many variables. For folks like blackwidow and their preconceived notions, I've passed bow shots at well under 10 steps because it was not right and with a bow, due to noise issues and speed of my recurve, its going to never be past 15 steps... OTOH I have rifle kills beyond 800. Still say the 800 plus yard shots took WAY more work to be good enough, right place at right time, etc.. than getting within 10-15 steps of a deer or pig with a recurve....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
Now I would go with 400.. Years ago when wild meat was important to our budget I shot quite abit of game past 500 and some over 600... I enjoy hunting and now it is fun.. Beef is my favorite, and if I get wild game in goes to friends and family!!! Coyotes are fair game as far as I think I can hit them..
For fun I shoot out past 1000 yards and I do fairly well. But on any game animal, I have a self imposed "limit" of 500 meters. (about 547 yards, so I call that 550 yards) It is a limit I keep in mind, but since I made the promise to myself to place that limit on my range I have NEVER had to worry about it. In fact I have not had the slightest need to worry, because every game animal I have shot in the last 25 years has been under 500 yards. Most WAY under 500.
In the last 20 years or so I have fired 3 shots I can remember over 400 yards, and so far there has not been one single animal I have seen that I wanted to shoot that I could not easily get closer then 550 yards from.
I just can't see ANY reason to shoot at ANY game over 500 meters away, and I cringe when I hear folks tell me 'they had to". I have hunted for over 1/2 a century, in many states and several countries. I have never had any "need" to shoot farther then about 450 yards EVER.
I have done it several times so I can't condemn those that do, but I guess I grew up, and started to see what I was doing, the fact that there was no reason to risk those shots at those ranges, and realized it was only a matter of time before I wounded and lost something I kept pushing my luck.
Shooting long range ( and every range) is a real skill that I firmly advocate, but for the purpose of training for war. And war in this nation is getting to be a more and more probable fate every day. I shoot at 600, 800, 1000, and 1200 myself. But never for killing game. I see game as a blessing that God gives us to be good stewards over. Killing game is something sacred to me.
I just can't see ANY reason to shoot at ANY game over 500 meters away, and I cringe when I hear folks tell me 'they had to". I have hunted for over 1/2 a century, in many states and several countries. I have never had any "need" to shoot farther then about 450 yards EVER.
Are you bragging or complaining? Maybe you need to get out more?
I just can't see ANY reason to shoot at ANY game over 500 meters away, and I cringe when I hear folks tell me 'they had to". I have hunted for over 1/2 a century, in many states and several countries. I have never had any "need" to shoot farther then about 450 yards EVER.
Are you bragging or complaining? Maybe you need to get out more?
In comparing the posts of the last several months, those by szihn appear to have far more “credibility” than do your posts! memtb
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
“I’d like to be a good rifleman…..but, I prefer to be a good hunter”! memtb 2024
In my experience.... people who put “range limits” on themselves and others... don’t have a lot of field shooting experience/practice.
The more experience you have, the more you realize there’s a lot more factors to shot assessment than “range”.
I’ve missed a lot of shots practicing out in the field.... a lot. I’ve shot thousands and thousands of rounds from 50 yards to 1/2 mile over the past 10 years. It’s pretty easy for me to take one look at a potential shot, and know if it’s green light.
It’s like Porn.... I don’t know the exact definition.... but I know what it is when I see it. Shots that shouldn’t take are kinda the same... I don’t base them on any one factor... I just know them when I see them.
You better pray to the God of Skinny Punks that this wind doesn't pick up......
In comparing the posts of the last several months, those by szihn appear to have far more “credibility” than do your posts! memtb
OK, so pick a post of mine and show that it's not "credible."
My post had nothing to do with szihn's "credibility" or lack thereof. It had to do with someone coming on the long range hunting forum and saying he can't see ANY reason to shoot at ANY game over 500 meters away.
It has nothing to do with credibility and everything to do with projecting one's own personal values onto other hunters. The way I look at it, if a hunter is capable and can make the shot and recover the animal, I can't see ANY reason other than personal preference not to take the shot that presents itself. Can you? For some hunters getting close is important, for others it's not. Do you see anything wrong with that?
That may have been one of your “more” credible posts! Congrats! As for some of your other posts, which I (my opinion) deem not credible, I am not motivated enough to research! memtb
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
“I’d like to be a good rifleman…..but, I prefer to be a good hunter”! memtb 2024
While trying to impose one’s personal “range limitations” on another, is not wise, and my be insulting to some......there are things to be considered when shooting game at extreme ranges. Bullet time of flight, should be considered. From the moment, the brain tells the finger to engage, added to projectile flight time, for long range shots.....can easily exceed 1 second. With a stationary, inanimate target....no harm, no foul. However, with an animal.... a sudden noise, or just a decision to move, just at the wrong moment.....can change a perfect shot to a crippled animal As mentioned by szihn, our big game animals deserve more respect! memtb
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
“I’d like to be a good rifleman…..but, I prefer to be a good hunter”! memtb 2024
This probably best illustrates what not to do for the reasons mentioned by memtb. They want to brag up their gun and a kid making a long shot, but I still think this is really not acceptable...
As it appears that I am limited to 250 previous posts......I cannot support my claims. And, for that, I’m truly disappointed! In the previous 250 posts, you appear to be free of infractions! I can only say, that some of your previous posts were very questionable. Perhaps they were intended as humor......which I apparently missed! As I cannot support my allegations.....I wish to offer an apology, for the unfounded claim! I do apologize! memtb
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
“I’d like to be a good rifleman…..but, I prefer to be a good hunter”! memtb 2024
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
“I’d like to be a good rifleman…..but, I prefer to be a good hunter”! memtb 2024
While trying to impose one’s personal “range limitations” on another, is not wise, and my be insulting to some......there are things to be considered when shooting game at extreme ranges. Bullet time of flight, should be considered. From the moment, the brain tells the finger to engage, added to projectile flight time, for long range shots.....can easily exceed 1 second. With a stationary, inanimate target....no harm, no foul. However, with an animal.... a sudden noise, or just a decision to move, just at the wrong moment.....can change a perfect shot to a crippled animal As mentioned by szihn, our big game animals deserve more respect! memtb
The same argument could be made about shots at moving critters... regardless of “range”. Hunters need to know their personal limitations... be it range, recovery conditions, shooting position, wind, etc..... and the only way to KNOW that... is a lot of actual field shooting, and a bad experience or two.
You better pray to the God of Skinny Punks that this wind doesn't pick up......
Dogshooter, Exactly! The only possible exception would be that, some hunters (unethical hunter), when attempting to make the “long” shot, do not attempt to verify a hit or miss, if the animal shows no reaction to the shot.....which sometimes happens. Some merely call it a miss, without verification! To verify a long range shot, may use-up several hours of hunting time, whereas a closer range running shot can be more easily verified! It “boils down” to Hunter ethics or lack thereof! memtb
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
“I’d like to be a good rifleman…..but, I prefer to be a good hunter”! memtb 2024
OK. I'd say that calling someone's credibility into question without being able to point to anything the've said that's not credible is what I'd call a "questionable post."
Dogshooter, Exactly! The only possible exception would be that, some hunters (unethical hunter), when attempting to make the “long” shot, do not attempt to verify a hit or miss, if the animal shows no reaction to the shot.....which sometimes happens. Some merely call it a miss, without verification! To verify a long range shot, may use-up several hours of hunting time, whereas a closer range running shot can be more easily verified! It “boils down” to Hunter ethics or lack thereof! memtb
Everything you said in criticism of LR hunting shots also applies to shorter shots, as well as a whole host of things that could possibly go wrong with any shot while hunting. I’ve seen guys take 150 yard shots and argue with me about checking for signs of a hit becuase they were so sure they missed, or even because they obviously gut-shot an animal and it ran into a hell hole that they didn’t want to go into to track the poor critter. Ethical issues of cleanly killing and recovering an animal isn’t unique to LR shots.
Dogshooter is exactly right. Range is only one factor (and with the right gear and training, an easy one at that) that contributes to the difficulty assessment of a shot, and the ultimate decision to shoot or not based on 95% confidence in success.
I made an attempt to apologize on a public forum.....but that, “doesn’t appear to work for you”! memtb
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
“I’d like to be a good rifleman…..but, I prefer to be a good hunter”! memtb 2024
I just can't see ANY reason to shoot at ANY game over 500 meters away, and I cringe when I hear folks tell me 'they had to". I have hunted for over 1/2 a century, in many states and several countries. I have never had any "need" to shoot farther then about 450 yards EVER.
Are you bragging or complaining? Maybe you need to get out more?
I can only say, that some of your previous posts were very questionable. Perhaps they were intended as humor......which I apparently missed!
They were. Smoke has a dry sense of humour at times, and some posters have erroneously taken him quite seriously.
Smokes a hoot...He’s the pardner you have riding in the shotgun seat at a stop light who leans out the window and calls a dude weighing 270lbs with prison tats and a ponytail a f a g...Laffin 😎
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This deserves another mention as memtb said as a part of his post. Is your animal hit?
I just experienced this on a cow hunt using a new rifle and chambering in 7/08 that I was not familiar with. I had only audible recognition that I punched my elk at 427 yards when I heard the smack of my first shot...The Immediate recoil took me off scope.
After the herd of elk cleared the area, I was left looking at the cow I had shot at, but, there wasn’t any visual signs I could see while scoping her that she was hit. I switched to my nocs to check the clear cut for an elk laid out flat. Satisfied that there wasn’t a dead elk laying, I scoped the lone cow again, watching her for anything that would say it had been hit...Finally, I saw it try to make a step, but she faulted. On my 2nd shot the cow collapsed, drt.
This was at 427 yards, and I couldn’t tell 100% for sure if I had connected other than trusting my hearing and experience...I have bumped a lot of animals farther with a bigger chambering and have had the animal do everything from fold up immediately to dropping their head and sway on their feet until they tilted and dropped, or drop at impact only to stand up again and start moving towards cover.
I have made more than a few trips down a mountain, across a stream, and up and over a saddle or two to reach an area where the fur was standing when me or a pard took the shot.
Many were located several yards from impact. Others were tracked and found where a finish shot was needed. Unfortunately, some left blood sign, but were never recovered that day, night or even the next day... I’m kind of a hard-ass that if we have blood but no body; Whoever took the shot is tagged out.
Personally, if you shoot long or short, and don’t have a body to see or a pard spotting to tell you it was a clear miss. You check. 😎
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
“I’d like to be a good rifleman…..but, I prefer to be a good hunter”! memtb 2024
Have shot a few deer and one elk at longer ranges, over the last couple years I shot two 120ish lb black Russian shoats from the back porch here at the farm, one at 522 yards the other 569 yards, technically I guess shooting from ones wife's pick nick table isn't hunting, but, it was cold and ill take the free groceries, rifle used on the pigs was a heavy 300 win mag firing 208gr a-maxes at 3K with Retumbo.
Have shot a few deer and one elk at longer ranges, over the last couple years I shot two 120ish lb black Russian shoats from the back porch here at the farm, one at 522 yards the other 569 yards, technically I guess shooting from ones wife's pick nick table isn't hunting, but, it was cold and ill take the free groceries, rifle used on the pigs was a heavy 300 win mag firing 208gr a-maxes at 3K with Retumbo.
Now that sounds like a proper pig load...
Bob
Never underestimate your ability to overestimate your ability.
I made an attempt to apologize on a public forum.....but that, “doesn’t appear to work for you”! memtb
If you want to make a sincere apology I'll accept it but I don't think what you said was a sincere apology:
Originally Posted by memtb
As it appears that I am limited to 250 previous posts......I cannot support my claims. And, for that, I’m truly disappointed! In the previous 250 posts, you appear to be free of infractions! I can only say, that some of your previous posts were very questionable. Perhaps they were intended as humor......which I apparently missed! As I cannot support my allegations.....I wish to offer an apology, for the unfounded claim! I do apologize! memtb
Never been tough to cypher,who shoots and who don't.
Hint.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
1. Equipment... 2. Experience... 3. Conditions... 4. Respect and judgement... 5. Responsibility for outcome... 6. Reassess all above... 7. Move forward or backward as warranted... 8. Teach others if so inclined... 9. Live life, have fun, and don't squander your mortality!!!
Interesting read. Many times I`m struck by how casually we now take distance shooting, I suppose it`s mostly because we don`t have to quess at ranges anymore.LRF`s provide the answer. Wind is another matter, even with Krestrels, smart phone apps, etc. So for S&G I doug out one of my HP Score books from 1999, and the matches I shot at Eau Clare, Wi. Cross course, 200,300,600yrds. The 600 is slow fire, 20 shots prone with sling, iron sights. My match gun was a 40-x in 308...shot 168 Sierra`s, 42gn. 2520. We have two sighters before shooting for record, and 22 mins. time to do it. No rush. So, knowing the range, therefore come-ups, wind is the big factor. But we do have wind flage on both sides of the 20 point line. You can see the wind...watch it the whole match. The 10 ring is a little over 2 MOA wide, about 14 inches, kill zone of a deer?..X ring 1 MOA. Now I`m not the best shot..took me 6 years to make HM, but my first sighter shot, about 80% of the time droped in the 9 ring...wind. I miss read the wind. That`s enough miss to wound an animal. I did get better with time...but this lesson always sticks with me when I`m hunting. It`s not easy to make a first round kill shot at 6 or 5 or 4.
If the shot ain't the easiest/highest percentage facet of any/all Hunts...you've dropped alotta fhuqking balls.
Hint.....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Have shot a few deer and one elk at longer ranges, over the last couple years I shot two 120ish lb black Russian shoats from the back porch here at the farm, one at 522 yards the other 569 yards, technically I guess shooting from ones wife's pick nick table isn't hunting, but, it was cold and ill take the free groceries, rifle used on the pigs was a heavy 300 win mag firing 208gr a-maxes at 3K with Retumbo.
Now that sounds like a proper pig load...
Bob
LOL, yessir, I've used that setup on all manner of 'pigs' for a LONG time, it always works, the 208 a-max's are about shot up, have 800 of the 210 LRAB's to work with next.
Hell, I thought this was the "long range" forum? Maybe we should put this thread in the hunting forum instead?
LOL, it is, some aint going to write how far they can 'really' hit at though.
No, but I figured I'd be seeing more 600+ yard 1 shot kills here. It doesn't take much to "hit", even at 1000 yards.
BSA, here you go...
Not gonna say this is a limit, but this is my longest shot I’ve taken on big fur. Conditions were perfect with a fouler bore shot already on the barrel before elk season. Then a one shot drt at 842 yards with a Wby 30/378 shoot’n 180g TSX bullet.
The bull, right after impact hunched up, stood there motionless for maybe 15-20 seconds, and collapsed, done.
Posted this a couple times before. Apologies for the redundancy. 😎
And the recovered 180g TSX
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
I've been working some long hours this week and just got back to this thread. It seems to ha e gotten a little detailed. My original intent in the question was to say for you, personally, with the gear you hint with, if you say everything is perfect, perfect perfect, where do you finally say the ahotbis too far? Currently, my personal ability is not as far as my equipment, however, I expect some guys cannot shoot their gear. Like beyond supersonic distance, or outdoatance the killing power of the round etc. So again, if everything was picture perfect, how far is too far?
Unfortunately, I've had the misfortune of having to take a couple of wounded animals at 500 plus yards. Not proud of the situation, as with a little more time I could've snuck within range....but they were injured. So I had to shoot. Lame as [bleep] to shoot from that far.
Don't worry about Smokepole's posts - Bob was correct - the guy is an ankle biter.
I've been working some long hours this week and just got back to this thread. It seems to ha e gotten a little detailed. My original intent in the question was to say for you, personally, with the gear you hint with, if you say everything is perfect, perfect perfect, where do you finally say the ahotbis too far? Currently, my personal ability is not as far as my equipment, however, I expect some guys cannot shoot their gear. Like beyond supersonic distance, or outdoatance the killing power of the round etc. So again, if everything was picture perfect, how far is too far?
Sometimes reading comprehension is not stellar around here. LMFAO.
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I shoot my deer and elk rifles enough in the offseason to stay confident. I usually shoot steel out to 500 yards prior to the hunt. Depending on my rest and wind conditions, I like to limit shots at elk to 400, 450 if everything is near perfect. I like to limit shots on deer to 300 due to smaller target size. Happy Trails
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Unfortunately, I've had the misfortune of having to take a couple of wounded animals at 500 plus yards. Not proud of the situation, as with a little more time I could've snuck within range....but they were injured. So I had to shoot. Lame as [bleep] to shoot from that far.
Don't worry about Smokepole's posts - Bob was correct - the guy is an ankle biter.
Bob was incorrect. Smoke’s bites are more in the area of face and neck and definitely leave a mark. 😎
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
I think it’s “Lame as schitt” to shoot a bear over a barrel full of donuts.....
I think it’s “Lame as schitt” to have dogs run a cat up a tree, then shoot it....
I think it’s “Lame as schitt” to shoot a half-tame whitetail buck you have 211 trail cam pics of, and you named “G7”, out of a tree stand over your “food plot” (aka bait)....
You hear all of those things.... and that is the only thing that lame. Leave a guy to hunt how he’s going to hunt.
Shall we go on...... or shall we concede that different folks have different ways of doing things? There are pretty specific requirements for a hunt to be “legal”, however, there are very arbitrary feelings about what is ethical... conversations are far more civil when we don’t project our belief system onto others.... particularly on the interweb.
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You better pray to the God of Skinny Punks that this wind doesn't pick up......
Everyone's "far" is different and more often than not,fhuqking hilarious..
Never been difficult to cypher,who shoots and who don't.
Hint...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Have only shot (1) Bear closer than that.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I don't know what my personal "limit" is...but I am prepared for stuff out to 800 yards. Conditions would have to be really good and I'd need to be rock solid with no chance of getting closer before I would attempt that though.
The furthest I have attempted is 600 yards, on an elk. He was about to get into the trees to bed, it was the last day of the season and I needed to have him out that day, not the next so waiting for him to come out in the evening wasn't an option. One shot and he was down.
Was simply itching,to blood a new rifle.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Since it seems everyone's ethical standard is higher than anyone else's these days, you're staking your reputation among a certain population to post what you really think here any more.
But, since I don't really give a [bleep] what anyone else thinks I guess I'll join the fun.
The longest poke I have taken (so far) was 700 yards on an elk (well, 699 to be exact according to my laser rangefinder). Broadside elk across a canyon, perfectly steady rest and no wind. Crosshairs were not even wavering with my Harris bipod set tight into the ground and locked against my shoulder with the butt stock. You could cover 2 of the shots with a coffee cup and the third was when he stepped forward when I squeezed off and it was about 6" back, same elevation and still in the lungs. He stood there about 30 seconds with his head drooping more and more and finally fell over. My next closest was 515 on a cow elk in a farmers field we had permission to hunt on. Same deal, except two shots and she fell down. Skinned her out and the two bullet holes were practically touching. IIRC, my furthest on a deer was around 420 yards or so.
My basic rule is if I can't hold tight enough on a target spot, I just won't shoot. I've passed on 100 yard shots because I didn't have a place to get a rest and couldn't get steady enough to get a decent killing shot. But my upper limit also depends on how steady I can get and knowing my range. I would think 700 would be about my limit , but with the right rest, target, conditions, and ranging I may go further. But everything would have to be perfect..... sometimes the only shot you get in the country we hunt in is across a canyon or a wide open meadow. Be prepared or go home empty handed. I choose to come prepared....
Bob
Never underestimate your ability to overestimate your ability.
In Arizona I killed 3 jackrabbits at 600 even with a .223 55 nbts. 2.5x8 leupold with M1 turret. 3 shots in a row, they were all standing next to each other. My son witnessed the whole thing in my 15x swaros. He killed a coues buck at 401 with his .243 at the age of 10....in the heart.
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Hell, I thought this was the "long range" forum? Maybe we should put this thread in the hunting forum instead?
LOL, it is, some aint going to write how far they can 'really' hit at though.
No, but I figured I'd be seeing more 600+ yard 1 shot kills here. It doesn't take much to "hit", even at 1000 yards.
BSA, here you go...
Not gonna say this is a limit, but this is my longest shot I’ve taken on big fur. Conditions were perfect with a fouler bore shot already on the barrel before elk season. Then a one shot drt at 842 yards with a Wby 30/378 shoot’n 180g TSX bullet.
The bull, right after impact hunched up, stood there motionless for maybe 15-20 seconds, and collapsed, done.
Posted this a couple times before. Apologies for the redundancy. 😎
And the recovered 180g TSX
Excellent, now that is what I'm talking about. Thanks for sharing!!!
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Since it seems everyone's ethical standard is higher than anyone else's these days, you're staking your reputation among a certain population to post what you really think here any more.
But, since I don't really give a [bleep] what anyone else thinks I guess I'll join the fun.
The longest poke I have taken (so far) was 700 yards on an elk (well, 699 to be exact according to my laser rangefinder). Broadside elk across a canyon, perfectly steady rest and no wind. Crosshairs were not even wavering with my Harris bipod set tight into the ground and locked against my shoulder with the butt stock. You could cover 2 of the shots with a coffee cup and the third was when he stepped forward when I squeezed off and it was about 6" back, same elevation and still in the lungs. He stood there about 30 seconds with his head drooping more and more and finally fell over. My next closest was 515 on a cow elk in a farmers field we had permission to hunt on. Same deal, except two shots and she fell down. Skinned her out and the two bullet holes were practically touching. IIRC, my furthest on a deer was around 420 yards or so.
My basic rule is if I can't hold tight enough on a target spot, I just won't shoot. I've passed on 100 yard shots because I didn't have a place to get a rest and couldn't get steady enough to get a decent killing shot. But my upper limit also depends on how steady I can get and knowing my range. I would think 700 would be about my limit , but with the right rest, target, conditions, and ranging I may go further. But everything would have to be perfect..... sometimes the only shot you get in the country we hunt in is across a canyon or a wide open meadow. Be prepared or go home empty handed. I choose to come prepared....
Bob
Good post Bob.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
I think it’s “Lame as schitt” to shoot a bear over a barrel full of donuts.....
I think it’s “Lame as schitt” to have dogs run a cat up a tree, then shoot it....
I think it’s “Lame as schitt” to shoot a half-tame whitetail buck you have 211 trail cam pics of, and you named “G7”, out of a tree stand over your “food plot” (aka bait)....
You hear all of those things.... and that is the only thing that lame. Leave a guy to hunt how he’s going to hunt.
Shall we go on...... or shall we concede that different folks have different ways of doing things? There are pretty specific requirements for a hunt to be “legal”, however, there are very arbitrary feelings about what is ethical... conversations are far more civil when we don’t project our belief system onto others.... particularly on the interweb.
Best post on this thread. Together we stand, divided we fall! If it is legal and you can live with the outcome it's on you.
Everyone's "far" is different and it never ain't not fhuqking hilarious,to let folks schlep their "abilities" and "equipment" onto others.
Hint.
Laughing!................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Anti-vaxxers are making a decision for someone that can't yet make one.
Hunting you are making a decision for yourself. But will ultimately effect another living thing. Same but different.
Bait, dogs, long range, archery, technology, were do you draw a line? Is is ok to hunt birds with a dog? Why???? Is it ok to fish with bait? Why? Is it ok to use a release bowhunting? Why??? At what point do you turn responsibility over to the individual? I have zero desire to run deer with dogs. However where it is legal I have no problem with someone else doing it. Just because something isn't right for you, doesn't mean its not right. That mindset is what Liberals believe. My way or the Highway.
I believe it was Elmer who said every one should scratch his itch as best suits him. I find it enlighting that many people who did not grow up deer hunting with dogs are opposed to it. How many of them will take a "long" shot late in the day? I do not remember ever losing a deer which was hit when running dogs.
It's funny the resident liar never posts kills with known ranges..... Weird... Haha
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
I believe it was Elmer who said every one should scratch his itch as best suits him. I find it enlighting that many people who did not grow up deer hunting with dogs are opposed to it. How many of them will take a "long" shot late in the day? I do not remember ever losing a deer which was hit when running dogs.
I grew up with it and can’t phuqqin stand it. White trash dumps dogs all over place then claims “it’s not the dogs fault they’re on your land”. Ain’t my fault his mangy ass has my boot print on it either.
As for the question at hand, I’m not messing with more than a foot of drift. Pretty much makes me a short knocker....
Or, taking a shot that's beyond your ability. Or taking a shot and not making every effort to recover the animal. Or showing up at a spot where you want to sit and watch for deer or elk in the evening, finding that someone's already there, and plunking your ass down anyway.
I look at long range hunting differently though. I know that lots of people think it's "not right." But it goes back to why people hunt and everyone has different reasons. If you read the "why hunt elk" thread lots of guys say they are doing it to stock the freezer and nothing more. I can't find fault with that. And given that, if they can make the shot and recover their animal there's no reason I can see not to.
Some will say that taking long-range shots isn't really hunting because the shooter is using technology to defeat the animal's senses and the animals don't have a chance. My repsonse to that is, we all use tehnology to defeat the animal's senses and if that's the argument you want to hang your hat on you'd better take a long hard look at 200 yard shots because a 200 yard shot with a modern rifle is 100% using technology to defeat the animal's senses.
I've never backed up,to add "satisfaction". I'd prefer 10yd broadside pokes on every outing,but reality is...that ain't Reality.
One should KNOW full well before the fray,what the platform and their abilities will yield in dot connections but very few have a fhuqking first clue,or shoot even a wee bit.
Which you attest too perpetually.
Hint..................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Bitchin glass, dig the yellow crayon marking too!!!!
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
The only thing you can speak of in the first hand,are your very WELL founded Insecurities and Man Fantasies. Congratulations?!?
Hint.
Bless your heart...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Pardon my perpetually horning you up,as you feverishly flaunt your Man Lust Fantasies! Hint. Congratulations?!?
Ooopsie!.............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
The problem with LR shooting in some of the backcountry areas I hunt here in Idaho (selway bitteroot and frank church wildernesses) is that a 6-700 yard cross canyon shot means a day to get over to the animal and multiple days to pack out...big rough steep roadless wildnerness country...
The problem with LR shooting in some of the backcountry areas I hunt here in Idaho (selway bitteroot and frank church wildernesses) is that a 6-700 yard cross canyon shot means a day to get over to the animal and multiple days to pack out...big rough steep roadless wildnerness country...
The problem with LR shooting in some of the backcountry areas I hunt here in Idaho (selway bitteroot and frank church wildernesses) is that a 6-700 yard cross canyon shot means a day to get over to the animal and multiple days to pack out...big rough steep roadless wildnerness country...
If you want the critter to come home with you, you'll have to hike over to it whether before the shot or after
The problem with LR shooting in some of the backcountry areas I hunt here in Idaho (selway bitteroot and frank church wildernesses) is that a 6-700 yard cross canyon shot means a day to get over to the animal and multiple days to pack out...big rough steep roadless wildnerness country...
If you want the critter to come home with you, you'll have to hike over to it whether before the shot or after
Jordan"s right.....I am not too sure what you're getting at here Hiaring.
If you're hunting those areas, you're either going to spend a day crossing that canyon to get your more acceptably ranged shot, or you're going to spend a day getting over to your downed critter.
Either way you'll spend multiple days packing it out.
The problem with LR shooting in some of the backcountry areas I hunt here in Idaho (selway bitteroot and frank church wildernesses) is that a 6-700 yard cross canyon shot means a day to get over to the animal and multiple days to pack out...big rough steep roadless wildnerness country...
If you want the critter to come home with you, you'll have to hike over to it whether before the shot or after
This is just a reminder that shot placement is more important than most anything else. And long range hunting prevents the hunter from shooting a large animal like an elk or a moose in the best spot.
The problem with LR shooting in some of the backcountry areas I hunt here in Idaho (selway bitteroot and frank church wildernesses) is that a 6-700 yard cross canyon shot means a day to get over to the animal and multiple days to pack out...big rough steep roadless wildnerness country...
If you want the critter to come home with you, you'll have to hike over to it whether before the shot or after
This is just a reminder that shot placement is more important than most anything else. And long range hunting prevents the hunter from shooting a large animal like an elk or a moose in the best spot.
Which is always "right next to the truck, and just a bit uphill."
The problem with LR shooting in some of the backcountry areas I hunt here in Idaho (selway bitteroot and frank church wildernesses) is that a 6-700 yard cross canyon shot means a day to get over to the animal and multiple days to pack out...big rough steep roadless wildnerness country...
If you want the critter to come home with you, you'll have to hike over to it whether before the shot or after
Jordan"s right.....I am not too sure what you're getting at here Hiaring.
If you're hunting those areas, you're either going to spend a day crossing that canyon to get your more acceptably ranged shot, or you're going to spend a day getting over to your downed critter.
Either way you'll spend multiple days packing it out.
Been hunting that wildnerness for 20 plus years...so yes I understand what I’m getting into every time and yes had some 2-3 day elk packouts...more of just a casual observation. I’m becoming more of a fan of those LR flat desert hunts...🤔😎
The problem with LR shooting in some of the backcountry areas I hunt here in Idaho (selway bitteroot and frank church wildernesses) is that a 6-700 yard cross canyon shot means a day to get over to the animal and multiple days to pack out...big rough steep roadless wildnerness country...
If you want the critter to come home with you, you'll have to hike over to it whether before the shot or after
This is just a reminder that shot placement is more important than most anything else. And long range hunting prevents the hunter from shooting a large animal like an elk or a moose in the best spot.
Which is always "right next to the truck."
LR hunting can work in your favor when the truck is at your 12:00 and the critter is somewhere between 09:00-03:00, and 700 yards closer to the truck than you are
The problem with LR shooting in some of the backcountry areas I hunt here in Idaho (selway bitteroot and frank church wildernesses) is that a 6-700 yard cross canyon shot means a day to get over to the animal and multiple days to pack out...big rough steep roadless wildnerness country...
If you want the critter to come home with you, you'll have to hike over to it whether before the shot or after
This is just a reminder that shot placement is more important than most anything else. And long range hunting prevents the hunter from shooting a large animal like an elk or a moose in the best spot.
Which is always "right in the box of the truck."
Well if we’re going to get technical, then I’d have to make a change to your original statement. Fixed it for you.
I've not seen more than (5) Bull Elk in the back of one crummy at a time...though the crummy was nowhere near proximity of the victims,nor could it get closer.
Haywire and Yankee Ingenuity,is plum handy..................(grin)
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Yup, unless you are of extreme luck, it isn't often your truck and the elk you hope to harvest are going to be in close proximity but wishing is always fun, right? I guess that is what they make packs, game carts, horses, chainsaw winches, and extra buddies for?
I have to admit the last few years, especially since my brother and I have both had heart problems, I have passed up on a couple elk I could have gotten to and easily taken but for the pack out up and down the canyon between us would probably have done us both in. So we sat and watched them feed for a couple hours content in the knowledge we could have gotten them if we wanted to, but let them grow up a little. Either way, you need to be prepared to not only shoot long range if necessary but to pack long range also. When the truck is a couple miles or more away that seems to be the tougher decision in my case any more....
Bob
Never underestimate your ability to overestimate your ability.
Most of my short-range shots...... still end up in long-range packouts.
So true - my biggest buck yet was shot at under 100 yards...4 miles in, 1200 feet below the trailhead...Killed around noon, back to the UTV at 2:30 am in the morning... Was a long damn night.
The smaller "Mid Range Shot" deer seem to require some pack work as well
The flat desert can surely help in this problem....
Antelope is the farthest game animal I have shot - took 15 minutes to get to the side by side.
Neither of these bulls were big enough to cash in my tag that day - but were 200 yards from my side by side.
Most of my short-range shots...... still end up in long-range packouts.
So true - my biggest buck yet was shot at under 100 yards...4 miles in, 1200 feet below the trailhead...Killed around noon, back to the UTV at 2:30 am in the morning... Was a long damn night.
Ha!
My Wyoming deer this last year was similarly miserable....maybe an 80 yard shot though only a mile or so from a road. Problem was, it was a rocky, steep miserable mile and I had to cross a knee deep creek. Shot at last light, quartered up and in my pack in about an hour and I got back to the pickup around 2 in the morning...
I have killed 2 animals at over 600 yards in past years. Now I only practice at 200 and 400 yards before hunting. In 2018 I shot (2) antelope at 200 yards, (1) antelope at 50 yards, and (2) mule deer at 100 yards.
In 2018 my 280 pound hunting partner had a heart attack and I had to hunt alone. With me weighing 155 pounds, me dragging a mule deer is like building the pyramids. In 2018 I was forced to use a deer cart. Where have those been all my life?
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps
Most of my short-range shots...... still end up in long-range packouts.
Since we're talking about pack-outs, here's my personal best. The shot was only 280 yards but we were somewhere around 15 miles from the take-out point:
First part of the trip out was a 3,000 foot climb, this pic was from near the top of the route (not the arête in the center):
We finished up the first night at about 2 AM, took us the next 3 days to pack out. Total of around 5K ascent and 8 K descent along the way and it rained the entire time. Or so it seemed that way.
The problem with LR shooting in some of the backcountry areas I hunt here in Idaho (selway bitteroot and frank church wildernesses) is that a 6-700 yard cross canyon shot means a day to get over to the animal and multiple days to pack out...big rough steep roadless wildnerness country...
If you want the critter to come home with you, you'll have to hike over to it whether before the shot or after
Jordan"s right.....I am not too sure what you're getting at here Hiaring.
If you're hunting those areas, you're either going to spend a day crossing that canyon to get your more acceptably ranged shot, or you're going to spend a day getting over to your downed critter.
Either way you'll spend multiple days packing it out.
Yeah, shooting an animal and letting the unskinned carcass lie out stewing in its own heat because you're a day away across the canyon is way better than getting close, taking the shot, and immediately getting the carcass cooled down. Plus the whole putting the carcass at the mercy of predators thing is a great way to save a cape and meat. /s
Predators can get to hanging quarters while packing out the first load regardless of how far the shot was or how long it took you to get to the critter after the shot. So can the heat. BTDT, on both accounts despite my best efforts to keep it cool and hung high enough to avoid bears. The heat is one of many reasons why I quit early season bowhunting. Not making a cross canyon shot if you're nervous about the heat is a smart move, but if it is cool out your point is moot.
This elk was killed well within more accepted ranges. I'll let you decide whether a predator got to it or not before we got it completely deboned.
Where does one draw the line? Only when you're close to the vehicle so your pack trips are short? Only when it is cold and snowy out and bears are sleeping? Is hanging meat in camp as lame of you claim long range shots are? I can think of 3 separate times I have had bears steal meat that was hanging in camp while I was gone.
Pluses and minuses, as well as risks to all these options.
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
The risk in waiting is simply the risk in not filling a tag. The risks in taking the shot (in the scenario presented - a day to get to the animal) are much more plentiful. Like you mentioned, there are pluses and minuses to all those decisions, and it's really a matter of how worried a person is about hanging a set of antler, horns, or hide on the wall and posting pictures of dead animals on the internet.
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
T Inman, some very valid points. However, cold weather may not elimate the bears. We had a late season elk hunt here in Wyoming in mid to late December, the grizzlies (even some blacks) were still quite active. Certainly, the cold weather has it’s unique set of pluses....but bear elimination, isn’t guaranteed! memtb
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
“I’d like to be a good rifleman…..but, I prefer to be a good hunter”! memtb 2024
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
T Inman, some very valid points. However, cold weather may not elimate the bears. We had a late season elk hunt here in Wyoming in mid to late December, the grizzlies (even some blacks) were still quite active. Certainly, the cold weather has it’s unique set of pluses....but bear elimination, isn’t guaranteed! memtb
Ya, you're right for sure...bears don't 100% go indoors during winter. My comments were generalized.
For years I accepted this as fact.....but over the last 10 or 12 years, found that accepted fact” and reality, are often quite different! memtb
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
“I’d like to be a good rifleman…..but, I prefer to be a good hunter”! memtb 2024
Ooops, forgot hiaring, that guy has some good shots too.
Now that my 11 year old son is starting to put the smack down on big deer, I am relegated to guide and cameraman...I’ll be living vicariously thru him For the next few years...told me he wants at least a 5 point bull this year - no pressure 🤔
Pics of your kids' hunts are an order of magnitude better, by definition.
He is going to be a stone cold killer...
That's awesome right there! My daughter started hunting with me last year at age 11 and took two doe. This year at age 12, she took the farm record buck and 5 doe. I said the same thing, stone cold killer! Its very fun watching her grow.
Pics of your kids' hunts are an order of magnitude better, by definition.
He is going to be a stone cold killer...
That's awesome right there! My daughter started hunting with me last year at age 11 and took two doe. This year at age 12, she took the farm record buck and 5 doe. I said the same thing, stone cold killer! Its very fun watching her grow.
That is more fun than any hunt I have been on in my life. I love the time my grand daughter spends with me in the stand.
For the guys with young daughters and granddaughters....Keep them shooting and fishing!
Nothing will keep the azztarded soft sided boys away from a young lady better then a girl who can talk MOA, come up charts, seating depth, lures and how to throw a casting reel accurately. The right boys will follow her home instead....😎
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