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I wouldn't sell a .270 to buy a 7mag for elk. If I had to pick between the two for elk? 7mag.. Will poke a bigger hole at the very least.
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TZ, You’d be good to go with a 270 as long as your wearing flaming orange from head to boot. ... Colorado now allows fluorescent pink. Goes great with the .270 Win. 
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As much as I like the 7 RM I hate to admit that the difference between a 270 and 7 mag is not that much. I would still favor the 7 if given the choice but would not hesitate to hunt with a 270 at all. I have split the difference and used the 270 WSM also. Bullets are more important than caliber or cartridge.
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Nothing wrong with a .270 Win for elk, although if using factory loads I'd probably opt for a 150g bullet.
Here is a comparison of the .270 Win/150g LRAB load I developed for Daughter #1's .270 Win (22" bbl) and a 7mm RM/ 68g LRAB using Nosler data for a 24" barrel. Calculations at 7000 feet altitude, MPBR zero for a 6" target (maximum 3" rise from LOS),
At 600 yards:
.270 Win/150 LRAB @ 2910fps,
254 yds = zero point
300 yds = MPBR
52.6" = drop
2234fps - velocity
1662fpe = energy
15.5" = drift
17.7 ft-lbs recoil
7mm RM/168 LRAB @ 3047fps,
266 yds = zero point
314 yds = MPBR
45.6" = drop
2377fps - velocity
1882fpe = energy (corrected from original 2108fpe, thank you Starman for pointing out the error]
13.7" = drift
27.9 ft-lbs recoil
In other words, the .270 Win load reaches 600 yards with more velocity and energy than a .30-30 /170g load at 50 yards - which is to say way more than is needed to take an elk cleanly.
Compared to the 7mm RM load (which is WAY better tahn the ones I used for 20+ years), the .270 load has only 1.8:" more drift, Drop for the .270 is about 7" more, but that is easily corrected for.
Most importantly for Daughter #1, the .270 load does it with only 2 ft-lbs more than her .308 Win/130g TTSX/3045fps load and 10.2 ft-lbs (40.5%) less recoil than the 7mm RM.
Compared to the .270/150LRAB, the 7mm RM/160g Grand Slam load I used for 20+ years and has killed more elk for me than all my other rifles combined, is pathetic.
7mm RM/160 Grand Slam @ 2900fps,
247 yds = zero point
291 yds = MPBR
62.4" = drop
1909fps - velocity
1295fpe = energy
25.4" = drift
21.8 ft-lbs recoil
Have given some thought to switching the 7mm to a high B.C. bullet like the 150g LRAB (.546 G1) or ELD-X (.574 G1), but I have enough 140g and 160g hunting loads on the shelf to last my lifetime. The .270 Win/150LRAB outperforms them in terms of calculated ballistics but they work just fine.
If I was a non-handloader with a .270, I'd give the Hornady 145g ELD-X ammo a try and, if it was accurate,in my rifle, worry about finding elk rather than the adequacy of the load.
Last edited by Coyote_Hunter; 01/14/19. Reason: corrected 2108fpe to 1882fpe
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Just get a 280AI. Kicks like a 270, kills like a 7 Mag
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I'll take the 7 mm mag because I have no 270. Whoops that Rem 721 is a 270, I stand corrected. like many my safe is full of rifles capable of the task. Terrain might dictate what I take along with weather. My 1895 in 405 win in the dark timber or my Sako FN 300 H&H in a open park in NM. JMO
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tzone, if you do go with the .270, I'd suggest either the 150 hot cor or the 150 partition. The 150 hot cor straight up will knock an elk's dick in the dirt.
As I am sure you're aware, any decent 130 grain bullet would work fine but the 150s out of a .270 really seem to impress critters.
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At 600 yards:
.270 Win/150 LRAB @ 2910fps,
254 yds = zero point
300 yds = MPBR
52.6" = drop
2234fps - velocity
1662fpe = energy
15.5" = drift
17.7 ft-lbs recoil
7mm RM/168 LRAB @ 3047fps,
266 yds = zero point
314 yds = MPBR
45.6" = drop
2377fps - velocity
2108fpe = energy
13.7" = drift
27.9 ft-lbs recoil
your 150 LRAB (.591 BC ) and 168 LRAB (.616 BC) velocity-energy figures for 600yd, seem out of whack. after running those bullets through a few different ballistic calculators, I consistently get more like 2037/1382 and 2180/1773 , respectively. 7-mag also offers option of 175 LRAB(.648 BC) 2800mv, delivers 2017/1581 @600yd.... 20.60 ft/lb recoil (8 lb rifle)
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Sweet Jesus
U got a .308 and a 30 06.
Get you some camping stuff, rangefinder, optics, Sailor Jerry, etc.
Don't monkey around with the gayness of suboptimal circumference ordaninants!
Just my opinion!
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When I see this argument, I think of Les Bowman.. A long time elk guide in northern Wy.. Les was also a .270fan.. But he urged Mike Walker of Remington to bring out the 7mm RM so he must have seen some value to the round..
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Nothing wrong with a .270 Win for elk, although if using factory loads I'd probably opt for a 150g bullet.
Here is a comparison of the .270 Win/150g LRAB load I developed for Daughter #1's .270 Win (22" bbl) and a 7mm RM/ 68g LRAB using Nosler data for a 24" barrel. Calculations at 7000 feet altitude, MPBR zero for a 6" target (maximum 3" rise from LOS),
At 600 yards:
.270 Win/150 LRAB @ 2910fps,
254 yds = zero point
300 yds = MPBR
52.6" = drop
2234fps - velocity
1662fpe = energy
15.5" = drift
17.7 ft-lbs recoil
7mm RM/168 LRAB @ 3047fps,
266 yds = zero point
314 yds = MPBR
45.6" = drop
2377fps - velocity
2108fpe = energy
13.7" = drift
27.9 ft-lbs recoil Shouldn’t you compare apples to apples: 270 150g vs. 7mm 150g? At 600 yards: .270 Win/ 150 LRAB @ 2910fps, 254 yds = zero point 300 yds = MPBR 52.6" = drop2234fps - velocity 1662fpe = energy 15.5" = drift 17.7 ft-lbs recoil 7mm RM/ 150 LRAB @ 3248fps, 280 yds = zero point 330ish yds = MPBR 39.9" = drop2457fps - velocity 2010fpe = energy 14.8" = drift XX.X ft-lbs recoil (who cares what the recoil is? You don’t feel it in hunting situations when you pull the trigger, especially with winter hunting cloths on for additional padding) I know petite teenage girls who shoot their father’s 7mags. It is sad to see grown men cry on this site about recoil.
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No argument there !
If you need to justify a firearm purchase to slay an wapiti, and you owned a 3006.
A 7 mag might buy you some support...........
A 270. Which is a necked down 3003 most likely would be hard work to convinced he non LBG community as needed.
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Less recoil trumps a couple inches of drift. And it makes your mangina hurt less..... LOL!
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The difference is about 3" using 2850 fps for the .270 Win and 2950 fps for the 7 Mag (not red-lining either cartridge), but that's not really the important thing. Comparing wind drift in a simplistic 10mph full value wind is not typically the reality we encounter in the field. We often deal with wind that is constantly gusting, changing directions, etc. If the wind where you're hunting on a given day is gusting between 5-20 mph, suddenly the difference between the two bullets is 6" if you happen to break the trigger during a 20 mph gust. So while 3" in a simple 10 mph FV wind doesn't sound like much, it can be a big deal in the right circumstances. The biggest advantage most guys will see, is the ability to hold on vitals further out without having the bullet pushed off target by an errant wind change or by a wind call that isn't 100% correct. As an example, if we assume an elk's vital zone is 16" across, using the same simple 10 mph constant FV wind, you could hold center vitals and not have your bullet pushed outside of the vital zone by the wind, even if there were let-offs and gusts and direction changes, out to 465 meters with the 180 ELD versus 405 meters with the 170 EOL, assuming sea level atmospherics. So using your criteria of needing to sneak close enough to hold on vitals, you could stop sneaking 60 meters earlier with the 7RM. Again, I'm not saying that the average dude will see the difference, but the advantage is there in the right hands and situations. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Truth ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ As they say in poker, here's the nuts. And you can kick that 20 mph up to 40-60, 70 mph when it starts blowing snow sideways at the higher elevations. Great post Jordan.
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At 600 yards:
.270 Win/150 LRAB @ 2910fps,
254 yds = zero point
300 yds = MPBR
52.6" = drop
2234fps - velocity
1662fpe = energy
15.5" = drift
17.7 ft-lbs recoil
7mm RM/168 LRAB @ 3047fps,
266 yds = zero point
314 yds = MPBR
45.6" = drop
2377fps - velocity
2108fpe = energy
13.7" = drift
27.9 ft-lbs recoil
your 150 LRAB (.591 BC ) and 168 LRAB (.616 BC) velocity-energy figures for 600yd, seem out of whack. after running those bullets through a few different ballistic calculators, I consistently get more like 2037/1382 and 2180/1773 , respectively. 7-mag also offers option of 175 LRAB(.648 BC) 2800mv, delivers 2017/1581 @600yd.... 20.60 ft/lb recoil (8 lb rifle) Starman - I did muff the energy for the 168g LRAB. Not sure where I got 2108fpe but the correct number per my calculator is 1882fpe. I'm using 7000 feet in altitude since we hunt elk from about 6200 to 10,000 feet. So the corrected numbers should be thus: .270 Win/150 LRAB @ 2910fps, 254 yds = zero point 300 yds = MPBR 52.6" = drop 2234fps - velocity 1662fpe = energy 15.5" = drift 17.7 ft-lbs recoil 7mm RM/168 LRAB @ 3047fps, 266 yds = zero point 314 yds = MPBR 45.6" = drop 2377fps - velocity 1882fpe = energy [corrected] 13.7" = drift 27.9 ft-lbs recoil The 175 LRAB likely requires a much faster twist than my 9.5 7mm RM. A note form Hornady a couple days ago recommended 10 for their 150g ELD-X, 9.5 for the 162g and 8.5 for the 175g.
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When I see this argument, I think of Les Bowman.. A long time elk guide in northern Wy.. Les was also a .270fan.. But he urged Mike Walker of Remington to bring out the 7mm RM so he must have seen some value to the round.. Sorry, this makes no sense.
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Less recoil trumps a couple inches of drift. And it makes your mangina hurt less..... LOL! Nope, just my shoulder.
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Here is where the 7 mag and other flat shooters have the advantage, being able to kill a trophy that comes out on the opposing side of the valley floor or on the opposing side of a large park, when you have only a few minutes of daylight left, and don’t have the time to close the gap.
And when they come out across a valley from you on the valley floor, with nothing but valley floor separating the two of you, no matter how much daylight is left, sometimes you can close the gap, and sometimes not depending on the terrain.
Lastly, you never know where your future hunting will be as far as being invited, getting a group together, etc, so why limit yourself in a future unknown hunting terrain with a cartridge.
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Here is where the 7 mag and other flat shooters have the advantage, being able to kill a trophy that comes out on the opposing side of the valley floor or on the opposing side of a large park, when you have only a few minutes of daylight left, and don’t have the time to close the gap.
And when they come out across a valley from you on the valley floor, with nothing but valley floor separating the two of you, no matter how much daylight is left, sometimes you can close the gap, and sometimes not depending on the terrain.
Lastly, you never know where your future hunting will be as far as being invited, getting a group together, etc, so why limit yourself in a future unknown hunting terrain with a cartridge.
Been reading Outdoor Life on the chitter again?
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Here is where the 7 mag and other flat shooters have the advantage, being able to kill a trophy that comes out on the opposing side of the valley floor or on the opposing side of a large park, when you have only a few minutes of daylight left, and don’t have the time to close the gap.
And when they come out across a valley from you on the valley floor, with nothing but valley floor separating the two of you, no matter how much daylight is left, sometimes you can close the gap, and sometimes not depending on the terrain.
Lastly, you never know where your future hunting will be as far as being invited, getting a group together, etc, so why limit yourself in a future unknown hunting terrain with a cartridge.
Been reading Outdoor Life on the chitter again? Atleast I’m reading something while on the throne versus you having video sex with other males or taking and texting male anatomy pictures to some of your girlieman friends on here.
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