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You clearly know more than I do so I will leave you to it.

Nah, I’m not going to engage. I do this crap for a living and I’m too burned out to get into this on a forum. Sorry.

Refer to Brian Pearce’s chronograph data from Guns magazine where he recreated Elmer Keith’s 600 yard mule deer kill. If the ammo he procured was poorly stored and it’s condition degraded, it still averaged a higher velocity than similar contemporary loads by a margin. Would it have been even faster when new/fresh? It’s likely.

Have at it gentlemen. It’s Saturday and I have better things to do this morning.

I already gave you a velocity of early 70s Remington factory load 240 grain JHP was 1400 FPS, newer manufactured depending on brand is between 1180 and 1240 FPS useing an Olher 35.

I know what is claimed that the 40,000 CUPS is equal to 36,000 PSI, but that doesn’t wash since they were loading and testing with only the CUP method the velocities were higher, therefore they can’t truly be equal.

Brain Pierce wrote that the 60s Winchester loaf claimed 1650 FPS, but shot closer to 1550 out of real revolvers.

Cant you read I clearly stated an Olher 35. My barrel length was 6” the same revolver that got between 1180 and 1240 with recently manufactured Ammo.

Never claimed fame. You can call Brian Pearce if you want or simply get online and find the article. In fact I will dig up the date of the publication and you.

No I chronographed recent manufactured, Winchester, Speer, Fiochii, Federal. Actual chronographed these loads.

Recent manufactured Buffalo Bore and Underwood equaled the old Remington loads at 1400 FPS.

I understand your take, because that’s what SAAMI claims but I know because I’m old enough to know that today’s SAAMI me,be5 Ammo is not loaded to the same higher velocity as the older stuff since the switch to PSI. Denton’s conversion works reasonable well it shows 40,000 CUP to be closer to 43,500 PSI.

I am 66 and have been reloading for over 40 years. Not that means anything. look at a lot of others.

I’m talking factory loads not hand loads. I’ve got yo7 by a couple of years.

Incidentally the same happened with the 357 mag.

I know what you are talking about. Which load gave 1180 and 1240 FPS? Do you remember?

I don’t remember the velocity for each, my notes only indicate, some brand or brands were 1180 and some hit 1240 FPS. the early 70’s Remington JHP got 1400 FPS.

You are old enough to remember the ear splitting sound of those early loads in 357 mag

I have a 1969 reloading Manuel that show 23 grains of 2400 behind a warp grain bullet in 44 mag.

That’s a typo should be 240 grain. Those keys do both letters and numbers and I didn’t proof read.

Again I do not remember which brands did the 1180 and which brands that did 1240. No load that I chronographed in my M29 went below 1180 and none went above 1280. As I remember it was one or the other speed. It was 2008 when I did this


Just buy some recent manufactured 44 mag of manufacturers that are SAAMI members and chronograph them yourself, you should get similar numbers that I got.

I’ve still got a few of the 70s Remington 240 JHP loads that I can chronograph again if needed