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Right there with you Frank, I’m amazed how blind those supposed hard core hunters are over there. I’ve always been suspect of groups like BHA and have expressed it on threads here several times. All these entities are like wolves in sheep’s clothing. Don’t understand how guys don’t see it.

Hahahaha.

Numnuts, at least read the document you post:

"The two main classifications given to bison within the state are "domestic live stock" or "game animal", which is also considered wildlife." MT code legal classification of bison.

I sometimes have good instincts. Usually I need my face rubbed in it, tho.

I don't remember now if it was a TV episode, or print, but one exposure to BHA convinced me they are an elitist ashhole group - at least on the top end. They struck me as "my way, or the highway".

Bye!

I'm convinced that mentally they're damaged goods. Most of them are from California or the East Coast and have been indoctrinated from day one.
They can't identify with true Conservatism or common sense values, they simply don't know what those things are.

Hudge is on to something, in a way.

A lot of this controversy did start WAY back, as in the Sagebrush Rebellion and Wise Use Movements. Both of which promote/d privatization of Federal/State public lands.



In my mind, it's not a "red herring" at all. Many of us recreational users are concerned about repeated calls for privatization of public lands by "conservative" candidates and already elected officials. Most of the ones I know, in this CA ranching community and in other places I've lived (AZ and WA for instance), have no problem with some lands being used for cattle/sheep grazing, as long as it doesn't impact our ability to access "our" public lands. And yes, they are "ours". Yours too, Texans .

Living where I do, I was amazed to find out it takes years, if ever, to draw an elk tag near my home and I live smack dab in the middle of millions and millions of acres of prime elk habitat. Where I lived in the White Mountains of AZ there were thousands more elk in a very similar habitat (juniper grasslands surrounded by Ponderosa/fir forests). Not here, as the elk were killed off years ago and the ranchers now prefer the few here stay up in the mountains. Some of you have likely seen pics of posted of my "backyard", the BLM land right out back. It looks as similar as any I've seen to Unit 10 in AZ and many of us know what kind of elk numbers and quality that Unit has. I've heard the elk were slowly expanding their range, but not fast enough I'll see much benefit in my lifetime and therefor will likely never get a chance to hunt elk where I live. (There's this other issue with wild (non-native) horses, but that's for another thread someday)

Many on here profess to be big supporters of the North American system of game management. I'm one of them. That system will disappear rapidly with any privatization of public lands. Game will revert to the ownership of the property holder, not the public as it is now. Either directly, or by limiting access as has happened already in many areas of the west (Our MT, WY and other members already know about that due to rich folks buying up the large ranches they used to hunt on). That is what got organizations like BHA and some others started.

Am I happy with the way things seem to be going with BHA and Rinella's company? Not particularly. As a matter of fact not at all. Was the takeover of Meateater a hostile one? Did Rinella have and say-so? Was it publicly traded stock the new guy just purchased on the Market? Whatever it turns out to be, it would be nice for Rinella to disavow himself of the whole deal and tell his supporters he disagrees with the way things might go.

It's unfortunate, but the "antis" have worked for many years to get between different "factions" of hunters, fishers, ranchers/grazers, miners,hikers, horsemen, cyclists,rock climbers etc. The real deal, as I see it , would be to unify those diverse interest in order to keep public land PUBLIC. But as in so many aspects of life, there is the 'I want my share first" attitude that works in the interest of those who want to destroy our heritage. Either for private use, no use, or just the uses a particular group may espouse.

Sad that Meateater has been taken over.

Geno

I don’t give a chit how cool looking your website is, how many pictures of hunters are on there and what the mission statement is. When you go into business with or receive substantial monetary investments from liberals or liberal groups that are the enemy (there’s no other name for what they represent) you have let the fox into the hen house. There’s no statements on Twitter, Facebook or whatever social media platform in response to the above actions that changes that, unless of course you are a dumbass!

Reading and understanding are hard for some, keep trying.

Then there’s the lunacy about lead poisoning through eating game taken with lead projectiles... Check out Wikipedia’s entry for lead poisoning and scroll down to bullets. The first two paragraphs approach complete nonsense, citing research and opinion papers toward wholly spurious implications.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning

I still can’t find it w/o google.

Here's your quote: "As long as bison are livestock this won't happen. Given make the make up of the Montana Legislature (as it is and always will be) and the strength of Montana Stock growers and Dept of Livestock, changing the classification of bison from livestock to wildlife won't ever happen."


The MT.FWP document. file:///C:/Users/Rovar/Downloads/Pages%20109-112%20Legal%20Classifications%20of%20Bison.docx%20(1).pdf

And the quote from the first paragraph from the document: ""The two main classifications given to bison within the state are "domestic live stock" or "game animal", which is also considered wildlife."

You're right it doesn't say what it says. Kinda like defining what the word "is" is.

Keep reading, you need to get past the first line.

Hint: where the bison is standing

What percentage of hunters are truly pro gun?

Is it even 10%?

The resident Tester ball keeper sure thinks they're great.

Doubt it.

Tester owes his squeaker of a win to Land Tawney/BHA and Ben OBrian.

Randy Newberg also gave Tester a very friendly platform with zero hard questions.

The fake public lands issue was played brilliantly by the Democrat operatives in Montana to nudge enough sportsmen over to Tester.

Where's Jackson handy?

I liked that guy!

Pragmatism is hard for many to grasp around here, but here is Steves response.

https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/f...rr5w0waR_gA9iOtyzsUewrybsrQdwjdyY0G0-uEo

Pragmatism is hard for many to grasp around here, but here is Steves response.

https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/f...rr5w0waR_gA9iOtyzsUewrybsrQdwjdyY0G0-uEo

This. If Occasionally Cortez came out in support of public lands, she get the votes of many hunters.