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Revenue generated per member: The NRA averages to about $87 per member. Gun Owners of America averages to about $1.43 per member. GOA are great patriots, Taking in 2.5 mill a year isn't going to cut it fighting gun control groups on their own.
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NRA, I'm a life member and still contribute from time to time. They have been around a long, long time and know how to fight and how to lay low. My belief is without them we, the gun owners, would be in over our heads. Yes, the word used above "unity" is certainly meaningful.
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I liken the NRA to Unions. They did a heck of a job and were good for us for several years. Not so much now. They are not fighting for "shall not be infringed". They should be fighting tooth and nail for any infringement ie bump stocks and red flag laws. Yet, they are not. So tell me, what did the NRA do with the other 403 million in 2016? That's spending over a million a day.
I joined the NRA in 1979 and was a member until last year. I gladly sent them thousands of dollars. They were backing us and fighting for us. Now, they have gone back to their roots where they are helping the government by rolling over and doing nothing. I miss my old NRA.
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It is rants like this that give strength to the anti gun people. The 2 most important ingredients in holding on to the freedoms we have in this country are truth and unity. The Democrats have unity but no truth. Conservatives have truth but no unity. It is obvious that if you only have one ingredient, unity is more powerful.
It is time conservatives realize this and become unified, because both truth and unity will destroy liberalism...
So well said...
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The NRA has supported every major federal gun legislation now in existence. Pro-2nd? Laughable. The problem with you guys is that you are idiots. Enough said.
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Jim, Not sure but it may be referring to sportsman hunters and shooters. Just like Elmer. Jim
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Jeezus....you been on a tare lately HuntanShoot.
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Jim, Not sure but it may be referring to sportsman hunters and shooters. Just like Elmer. Jim I hear the term from time to time. Figured it was derogatory!
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The NRA wants us to believe they are the 1000 pound gorilla and that they are the reason we still have any guns at all........but, ask yourself, if they really are that powerful, why don't we have nationwide concealed carry reciprocity and the hearing protection act??
The republicans have controlled the house, senate and the oval office for 2 years and couldn't pass the hearing protection act and the nationwide concealed carry??
Instead of fighting for gun rights and gun owners, LaPierre and Cox supported the bump stock ban and red flags laws.......they didn't just surrender without a fight, they supplied the enemy with ammunition to use against us!!!
I have been a member for decades, I am an NRA certified instructor and have recruited for the NRA in the past.......but I'm done with them until LaPierre and Cox are gone......under current leadership, the NRA isn't the 1000 pound gorilla, it's a paper tiger.
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The NRA has supported every major federal gun legislation now in existence. Pro-2nd? Laughable. The problem with you guys is that you are idiots. Enough said. You are the reason I belong to the NRA. It is fools like you that we are in the position we are in. and belonging to the NRA is the only chanch we have of fighting you AZZ hat.
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So, just to clarify.....
We have the best gun rights in the world because of luck and the kindness of the Politicians hearts?
I find that hard to believe.
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The NRA has supported every major federal gun legislation now in existence. Pro-2nd? Laughable. The problem with you guys is that you are idiots. Enough said. You’re a democrap, right?
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The NRA has supported every major federal gun legislation now in existence. Pro-2nd? Laughable. The problem with you guys is that you are idiots. Enough said. You’re a democrap, right? No, I just have a higher IQ than you, by several standard deviations. I can interpret facts and logic, while you cannot. I suppose you'd also argue: "Yeah he beats my daughter and keeps hitting us up for money, but who else is she gonna find to marry her?"
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My question is why a few people are trying to get gun owners to abandon the NRA. Is it to weaken its effectiveness in Congress so more gun rights can be taken away? No, I have abandoned the NRA because they (the LaPierre cabal) concentrate on fundraising first and legislating second, when lawsuits and court action should be primary. The reason they concentrate on legislation is because favorable court rulings would lessen the crisis and donations would dry up. The NRA inaction in the Heller and McDonald cases finished any support I had for the organization. I'm a life member, but they don't need to send me any more mail. Every time they call I tell them "call back when LaPierre is gone". You are short-sighted and cutting off your nose to spite your face. It takes a real money to keep an organization like that running. Pat85 said they took in $434 million in one year from just 5 million members. Do you realize that is less than $100 per member from all sources? They have paid employees in every state. What do you think that costs? They spend how much on election advertising? What does it cost to produce and mail what must come to about 40 or 50 million magazines each year? What is the cost of operating the museum? Small minds ae overwhelmed by large numbers, you know. Yes they don't always approach things the same way other organizations do. But the differences are well-considered based on how they appraise the battlefield. What did we win Heller by, one vote? NRA was afraid of the consequences if it went the other way. They use the courts when they see fit but they cautiously avoid cases with scary odds that could result in bad precedent that would be incredibly difficult to overcome. Did they 'cave' on bump stocks or did they make a strategic withdrawal? Our president needed some cover. It was impossible to communicate the fine points of the good arguments against that action, especially with the MSM operating in lock step to drown out and overthrow the president. So we "caved" and let the BATF write some regulations with no basis in law that are highly likely to be tossed out by the courts - a strategic move. Attacking the NRA right now is like deciding to re-caulk your lifeboat while you're floating in it. Get off your high horse and send them $100 dollars today. The paltry sum you paid for your life membership was spent years ago.
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The NRA has supported every major federal gun legislation now in existence. Pro-2nd? Laughable. The problem with you guys is that you are idiots. Enough said. You are the reason I belong to the NRA. It is fools like you that we are in the position we are in. and belonging to the NRA is the only chanch we have of fighting you AZZ hat. It is fools like you who imagine that a group that makes its money from pushing fear cares about you, or your "rights". It is fools like you who imagine that you can hire some group to do something that it is your responsibility to do. YOU are in charge of your rights. I'll repeat that: YOU ARE IN CHARGE OF YOUR RIGHTS. Not a "government", YOU. Not a lobbying group, YOU. It is fools like you who never understood this, and so you don't actually have any rights; you have privileges granted you by your betters as you beg on your knees and hand over your resources. The NRA has profited for a long time while peddling away your rights piecemeal. Keep believing. They love you for it.
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I have been a member for over 60 years, that said, I feel there needs to be a shake up or reorganization in it. I paid my membership two months ago. Since that time I have received three letters, two phone calls and two emails saying I need to renew my membership. Waste of time and money. I will continue to support them but as said by some, I feel a change in leadership should be looked at to better support us. I also belong to the CA. Rifle and Pistol Assn. which I feel does a better job for us here as far as firearms and hunting than the NRA.
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If you don't support the NRA, then who do you support. Gun control. The NRA has its problems, but where would we be without it? Use your Damn head for something other than hats. I will support the NRA. I support myself. I'm not fond of welfare, ie free handouts. If it isn't important enough for me to defend or keep, then why would I give someone money to do it for me. That falls very close to bribery and there is always someone else who will come along with a bigger bribe payment. People b!tch about the NRA. If it weren’t for the NRA, we wouldn’t have guns now. I wouldn't want to be the one to try and prove that as factual.
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The Trump support was good. Second Amendment favorable judges are important, he appoints those. Second amendment favorable Senators are important, they confirm good judges. I'm for that kind of support and the publishing of politicians stand on gun rights. But the fight needs to concentrate on supporting lawsuits against unconstitutional restrictions attempted by local, state, and federal entities. Without supreme court precedent which we can get now and may not get later we are fighting a lost cause. Gun ownership rights do not have majority support of the U.S. population. You got that right!
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Have the NRA compromised on some issues? Yes. Some things aren't worth fighting against.
Can they conceivably start court fights against every single attempted infringement that comes up? No. There isn't enough money to do that.
Now tell me this: If you "all or nothing" people don't get "all" what do you get? That's right.
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