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I've read through this entire thread, but I never saw the correct answer to the question. Every day on this board, people want answers about the most efficient cartridge. The best barrel makers. The strongest action. The preferred cartridge for deer, antelope, or lions.
I want you to read this.
Art: the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
Some posters were so close to nailing it. The reason for owning a 300 H&H, a 45-70, a Rigby rifle, etc. is because of its beauty. I like the lines of certain cartridges and rifles. They appeal to my eye. The most velocity doesn't do it for me. Nor does the latest marketing release. It's got to appeal to my eye. I have to get a good feeling from it. That's why I prefer certain cartridges and rifles.
Art is a personal thing. What moves you may leave others cold. But it's still art. Something to be appreciated for its beauty or emotional power. Does it move you?
Without art, there's little purpose to life.
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Good point - to add to it, just because something that moves you doesn't move someone else, that doesn't make them wrong or a bad person - seems like something for the 'fire to keep in mind.
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Absolutely no practical reason to acquire a 300 H&H today. Lots of cartridges will push a .308-180 out of a 24” barrel at 2950+. The bullet and the target don’t know what pushed the bullet down range.
There isn’t a “cool factor” except in the noggin of the owner.
Reminds me of driving a 50 mile route to get to a place 1 mile down the nearest road.
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I've read through this entire thread, but I never saw the correct answer to the question. Every day on this board, people want answers about the most efficient cartridge. The best barrel makers. The strongest action. The preferred cartridge for deer, antelope, or lions.
I want you to read this.
Art: the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
Some posters were so close to nailing it. The reason for owning a 300 H&H, a 45-70, a Rigby rifle, etc. is because of its beauty. I like the lines of certain cartridges and rifles. They appeal to my eye. The most velocity doesn't do it for me. Nor does the latest marketing release. It's got to appeal to my eye. I have to get a good feeling from it. That's why I prefer certain cartridges and rifles.
Art is a personal thing. What moves you may leave others cold. But it's still art. Something to be appreciated for its beauty or emotional power. Does it move you?
Without art, there's little purpose to life. That's a fine post, Steve, and I utterly agree with your point. I remember being a child of 5 years old looking through my father's reloading manuals. Certain cartridges just seemed "cool". I couldn't say way then. I still can't describe the "cool" in exact terms. I suppose it's like porn, in that it is difficult to define, but we know it when we see it.
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I had Duane Wiebe build me a .300 H&H because I had 6 boxes of factory ammo. I'm not a math guy but I'm pretty sure that was practical. ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/pJsXK2B.jpg) This is the most beautiful rifle I've seen in an age. Thanks for sharing this with us!
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Thanks. And you're right, that is a beautiful rifle!
Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell www.303british.comGet your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain Member - Professional Outdoor Media Association of Canada
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SR, I bought the blue/walnut/iron sights X-Bolt Medallion in 300 H&H because it is art to me; the rifle and the cartridge. Woodhit's rifle is in a class all by itself!
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That is a beautiful rifle, like a drop dead woman!
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I gotta agree with Steve regarding art. For me some cartridges are right or feel that way. Surely better cartridges are available at least to other’s eye’s. That’s ok with me. Favorite writers had an influence too. Jim Carmichael comes to mind - “280 Remington”. Al Miller, Taylor, and many more. Then there’s writers covering hunting the big bears, all kind of African game, or even elk (not many elk years ago) and even the writers of fiction. “Death in the Tall Grass” comes to mind. Maybe their writings captured the “romantic” factor. Ever read “Hell I was there”? - didn’t that change your outlook?
Dad and his dad had gun magazines back to about 1900. Outdoor Life, American Rifleman and The Arms of Man (?)
My choices/favorites tend to be older cartridges that I read about in my youth.
Rigby and H&H are two that come to mind.
Why the 300 Super and with bronze point or silver tip ammo? Wouldn’t a 300 WSM with a mono bullet be better, perhaps for someone - likely many even.
But that Super also is an H&H. You can’t get better than that in these old eyes.
I prefer classic.
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Woodhits — Gorgeous Rifle ! ! **nothing I print is meant to be critical or negative.
There isn’t a “cool factor” except in the noggin of the owner.
I agree about cool being in the mind..... Sorta like ‘beauty in the eye...’ To me, 284 Win is cool in case shape, moreso than the new kid on the block. Of all the 30 cal mags, the 300 W M is MY cool. ATST I appreciate the heritage of the H H and the long slender case is handsome. Someone said, “you pays your money and you takes your pick”. Jerry
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they are super cool and old school!!!!!!
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No practical reason, but plenty or emotional and aesthetic reasons.
I built one because a 30-06 is boring, a 300 win mag utilitarian, and a weatherby too blingy.
Mine worked fantastic on my first trip to Africa and the big brother 375 worked perfectly on my second trip.
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Asthetics is a practical consideration. What is the world without art? Peace of mind and serenity are practical aspects of life. This is achieved, in part, by having nice things around us. 
Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell www.303british.comGet your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain Member - Professional Outdoor Media Association of Canada
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This beater Rem 300 H&H has the practical advantage of packing far more memories than any of the newer 300 magnums. Not much to look at, the barrel has been bobbed to 22 1/2", and the front sight reinstalled, but the bore is still bright with sharp rifling. Not sure why it was shortened, but it still starts 180 gr Partitions off at close to 3000 fps. The most practical reason to use it is you don't have to worry about scratching it up. Ted
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Yes, So your friends and family don't steal your ammo!!
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I would be a cool rifle to bring out at the deer lease. None of the guys on my lease has one.
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Have heard more than a few stories involving short stroking a magnum length action. A perfect pair of rifles to hunt the world would be a 300H&H with a 375 H&H or 458Lott, both on the same model magnum actions. Muscle memory would be the same for both under stress.
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I had Duane Wiebe build me a .300 H&H because I had 6 boxes of factory ammo. I'm not a math guy but I'm pretty sure that was practical. Goodness gracious!
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The idea that when a new shape of shell comes out that the old shell suddenly stops working right is just dumb.
The 300 H&H is at least as good today as it ever was and with modern powders it's actually better.
I have made so many 300s of various types that I have lost count of them. 300 H&Hs 300 Win mags, 308 Normas, 30-338s, 300 Weatherbys, a few 300 Ultras and so on. In the field I can't tell the difference in any of them as to how well they kill. In fact the fastest ones are the ones that seem to present the most problems in loads and bullet performance if you don't pay attention tot he details.
I have paired down my 30s to a 30-30, a few 308s, a few 30-06s and one 300, which is an H&H. I sold my last 300 Win mag a few years ago. It had a 26" barrel on it. I chronographed it along side my 300 H&H and there was no practical difference at all. In fact with my 200 grain loads my H&H is actually 12 FPS faster.
Both rifles shot under MOA.
The 300 Win Mag was on an M70 Winchester and my H&H (one of 3 I have owned) is on a Mauser which I just like the looks of better.
So I kept the 300H&H.
"Practical" is not something that entered my mind because there is nothing impractical about it any more than any other 300.
If total practicality was of any concern to me at all, I would probably only own a 308 Winchester and a 30-06 and forget every other 30 cal ever made.
But "practical" is not a concern to a gun buff.
Enjoyment is the 1st concern.
All good and true, but the practical aspects keep rising to the top. WSM and Win Mag ammo choices and availability world wide If I had a 300 H&H M70, I’d be very tempted to either rebarrel, or recharmber to 300 PRC Twist, Leade and throat geometry would tip the decision towards a Match tube Rechambering would indicate a 300 WBee But would I really have a better hunting rifle ? Maybe not. At the end of the day that long magazine would nicely accommodate a.375 WBee They are all HandLoading propositions.
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