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E.g., A Glock 26 (12 rounds of 9mm on board) vs a Glock 30 (11 rounds of .45 ACP on board)?

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People seem to be having trouble giving 40s away. Definitely an opportunity there for someone with a lifetime supply of ammo socked away.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
E.g., A Glock 26 (12 rounds of 9mm on board) vs a Glock 30 (11 rounds of .45 ACP on board)?


My 26 sees a lot of carry and my 30 has not been shot or carried in, probably, four years. I shot IDPA with my 26 yesterday.

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I like 40 S&W, wasn't aware of the disdain.

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IT begs the question (other than the chick factor) why did the FBI revert to the nine? Personally, I'd go with the 357 SIG over any other caliber for self defense.


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The 40 and 357 are awfully close, other than the 40 is pushing a 180gr.

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If I am not carrying something in 40 S&W it is about an even split if I am carrying a 45 ACP or a 9mm Luger. It boils down to the holster I need to use to fit the belt or that I need more "concealment" than normal. If I am wearing a full 2" wide belt, then I carry a 45 as guns in that chambering are the only ones I own that have holsters that will wrap around a true 2" belt. If I had a 40 S&W or 9mm with a holster that worked I would carry the 40 S&W or even 9mm instead. If I am going someplace where others would likely not appreciate me carrying a firearm, then I carry a 9mm as it is the smallest, thinnest gun I own and can shoot well. A 45 that handles as well would be bigger and probably a little harder to fully conceal.

So, I guess I have no preferences. I pick the gun based on need and use whichever cartridge that gun is chambered in. With no theoretical differences in the cartridges themselves, the choice between them is moot. Other factors play a larger role in my choice than bulletin diameter.

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Originally Posted by jorgeI
IT begs the question (other than the chick factor) why did the FBI revert to the nine? Personally, I'd go with the 357 SIG over any other caliber for self defense.


They explained it pretty well.

Have you not read it?


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.40 S&W is better than the 9mm, and the .45 ACP is better than both. We can argue 'how much better', but it has never really been about the cartridge. It has been about the shooter's ability and comfort in firing and carrying the handgun.


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I carried a G21 for a duty weapon.

Daily carry, I use a Taurus PT111 G2 and love it.

I have also carried a G17, G27 and a few others... But, I keep returning to the Taurus PT 111 G2 for my daily carry. I use P+ 115 gr hollow points 1350fps, 466ftlbs


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I have guns in all 3, & use them all from time to time for various purposes, EDC, vehicle carry, around the house, etc.

All work, & I don't feel inadequately armed with any of them, but for me, it's generally more about the specific gun than either of those 3 rounds.................they will all work given decent bullets & shot placement.

I love 1911's, hence 45's as that's what I grew up shooting the most (other than 22's), but today, my most carried gun is a 9mm, not because I think the round is superior, but because I think it's enough & I like the package & the magazine capacity.

If were leaving the house today & going directly to a gunfight with a pistol, I'd take a 5" 1911 & lots of magazines.....................

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There is not much of a chick factor in SOCOM and they seem to have replaced the 45's with Glock 19's in 9mm. I think that they feel that there is not much difference in stopping power and prefer the higher capacity and increase in accuracy and faster split times between shots.

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SWAT teams seem to be sticking with .45 ACP.

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It still a proven killer so i favor not getting shot with it.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
SWAT teams seem to be sticking with .45 ACP


Serious question: How many gun battles are swat teams in for a typical year?

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Originally Posted by JOG
.40 S&W is better than the 9mm, and the .45 ACP is better than both. We can argue 'how much better', but it has never really been about the cartridge. It has been about the shooter's ability and comfort in firing and carrying the handgun.

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Originally Posted by deflave
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IT begs the question (other than the chick factor) why did the FBI revert to the nine? Personally, I'd go with the 357 SIG over any other caliber for self defense.


They explained it pretty well.

Have you not read it?


Yes I did, recoil, supposed better accuracy, ability to deliver follow on shots (read: too much recoil for females) and better penetration that in 1986 with the 147gr. So yeah, I read it but I'm not buying. Their Special Teams retained the 45...


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Originally Posted by MontanaMan
I have guns in all 3, & use them all from time to time for various purposes, EDC, vehicle carry, around the house, etc.

All work, & I don't feel inadequately armed with any of them, but for me, it's generally more about the specific gun than either of those 3 rounds.................they will all work given decent bullets & shot placement.

I love 1911's, hence 45's as that's what I grew up shooting the most (other than 22's), but today, my most carried gun is a 9mm, not because I think the round is superior, but because I think it's enough & I like the package & the magazine capacity.

If were leaving the house today & going directly to a gunfight with a pistol, I'd take a 5" 1911 & lots of magazines.....................

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I would agree, and even ad the 380 to the list. Leaving home, I would take any one, but would probably grab the 9mm with the single stack mag most often. I have yet to hear of anyone shot with any of the mentioned cartridges and saying “that didn’t hurt.”


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357 sig or full 10mm both have the upper limits of recoil most shooters can handle, large muzzle blast and a fair amount of muzzle flip. that is why no major agencies are using either currently and those that are are transitioning to 9mm. Also when talking about agencies with a large number of shooters ammunition cost comes into play, there is no economy of scale with 357 sig or full 10 compared to 9mm or 45. The overall civilian and le demand for these calibers is low so prices are high.

Bottom line is that is you use a top end bonded bullet in most self defense situations 38, 357, 9, 40 or 45 will all work equally well if you can do your part with your shooting iron.

I use all of the above calibers except for 357 sig, which I have used in the past, I am gtg with them all.

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