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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
"There is little to no noticeable difference in the wound tracks between premium line law Auto enforcement projectiles from 9mm Luger through the .45 Auto."

Not sure this is correct in terms of 9mm vs .45 ACP. While depth of penetration, bullet expansion success, and weight retention, may be equal, the .45 expands to a significantly larger diameter, and produces permanent wound cavities that are significantly more voluminous, which just has to affect fight stopping performance, even if just by increasing the probability of destroying vitals per round.


I guess if you say "it just has to" then it must be so. The forensic doctors and scientists of the IWBA have been wasting their time and efforts. Good to know, case closed.


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Originally Posted by deflave


You see a lot of duty .40 rounds fired in local IPSC and IDPA matches?


Run whatya brung?

Or are they competitive to the 9mm's? Better? worse? the same?

Given the choice between the 9 & the 40, for speed & accuracy, what would you pick?


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Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Originally Posted by deflave


You see a lot of duty .40 rounds fired in local IPSC and IDPA matches?


Run whatya brung?

Or are they competitive to the 9mm's? Better? worse? the same?

Given the choice between the 9 & the 40, for speed & accuracy, what would you pick?


MM


I have seen guys that have to work with .40's download them so they can use their issued equipment and still remain competitive.

I use full house 40's but I'm not shooting at top levels and I'm using stuff I have to stay proficient with.

9mm all day.


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I would think that "duty' 40 rounds = normal factory loads.

Yeah, downloading would tend to even the field out especially with lighter bullets in the 40's.

I also have to shoot the 40's that I have to stay on top of them too, & they are fine for what I need them for, just surely not as precise & quick for multi-shot strings as a 9 for sure.

I have 'em & there's not much sense in not using them too.

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Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Originally Posted by deflave


You see a lot of duty .40 rounds fired in local IPSC and IDPA matches?


Run whatya brung?

Or are they competitive to the 9mm's? Better? worse? the same?

Given the choice between the 9 & the 40, for speed & accuracy, what would you pick?


MM


I'm pretty confident we all see a lot more variation due to gun choice rather than cartridge choice.


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Originally Posted by deflave


You see a lot of duty .40 rounds fired in local IPSC and IDPA matches?


Run whatya brung?

Or are they competitive to the 9mm's? Better? worse? the same?

Given the choice between the 9 & the 40, for speed & accuracy, what would you pick?


MM


I'm pretty confident we all see a lot more variation due to gun choice rather than cartridge choice.


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I don’t think think I can shoot the 40 as good as some others.

My line of thinking would come from the old days. Like doing traffic stops, it goes bad and you have to take2-3 shots from the hip at nose hair distances. At an individual that’s wearing layers of Carhart artic wear, who weighs 250 pounds and is drunk and pissed. I just feel better having more punch.

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I like the .40 because I think it doubles as a great sporting round and is great to carry in the backcountry.


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Originally Posted by JOG


I'm pretty confident we all see a lot more variation due to gun choice rather than cartridge choice.


As I imagine you have already deduced by now, I'm not a big fan of mouse guns in general, & even less so of mouse guns in heavy rounds. grin

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Originally Posted by viking
I don’t think think I can shoot the 40 as good as some others.

My line of thinking would come from the old days. Like doing traffic stops, it goes bad and you have to take2-3 shots from the hip at nose hair distances. At an individual that’s wearing layers of Carhart artic wear, who weighs 250 pounds and is drunk and pissed. I just feel better having more punch.

I think it would depend on bullets but rational thinking says a heavy 40 at the same speed would go deeper than a lighter 9 provided equal resistance.


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Originally Posted by deflave
I like the .40 because I think it doubles as a great sporting round and is great to carry in the backcountry.


Both of my .40's shoot great with no discernible degrading in accuracy including double-taps...for speed shooting the whole mag, maybe.

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Originally Posted by deflave
I like the .40 because I think it doubles as a great sporting round and is great to carry in the backcountry.


Don’t forget you can shoot the 9mm faster...


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Originally Posted by Bwana_1


Both of my .40's shoot great with no discernible degrading in accuracy including double-taps...


grin

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Originally Posted by MontanaMan
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I'm pretty confident we all see a lot more variation due to gun choice rather than cartridge choice.


As I imagine you have already deduced by now, I'm not a big fan of mouse guns in general, & even less so of mouse guns in heavy rounds. grin

MM


Absodamnlutely. Me too and why I can't play the 'all else being equal' game.


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Originally Posted by JOG
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All you he-men can pound your chest all you want. But if you think you can shoot a .40 to the same level you can a 9 you have no idea what you’re talking about.


I can, of course I need a larger handgun in the .40 S&W to do so and sometimes that's just fine.


If you need a bigger gun to shot a .40 just as well as a 9, then you can shoot a .40 as well as a 9.


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Originally Posted by Bwana_1
Originally Posted by deflave
I like the .40 because I think it doubles as a great sporting round and is great to carry in the backcountry.


Both of my .40's shoot great with no discernible degrading in accuracy including double-taps...for speed shooting the whole mag, maybe.


No discernible degrading compared to each other or a nine?


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The very best shooters on the planet choose to shoot a 9 when asked to shoot very fast and accurately.

Maybe they’re on to something the pistoleros here haven’t figured out.


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i have a 1st gen glock 22 bc i refuse to accept that the 90s are over



That had me rolling. That got me thinking, that’s maybe why my old 21 is my favorite.

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I can put 230 grains on target with one pull of the trigger, making my 'split time' twice as fast as anybody shooting 115 grain 9mm.

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