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With all of the discussion about gas vs. diesel, this new engine from Ford may push a lot of buyers closer to the gasoline side. I'm curious enough to drive one with the 10-speed auto when they come out. Latest News on Ford's Super DutyFord's Super Duty midcycle refresh actually completes the fourth-generation redesign of the model that started with a redo of everything you see and now ends with a redo of the major mechanical systems—two new engines and a new 10-speed automatic transmission. For the 2020 Ford F-Series Super Duty, we'll start with the newest of the new engines:
7.3-liter "Godzilla" Gas V-8
Bigger inside, smaller outside. Tidy exterior engine dimensions ease maintenance accessibility in all applications and afford more useful space for chassis-cab and motor-home chassis customers. Godzilla is reportedly narrower and shorter than both the V-10 and the 6.2-liter SOHC V-8. Inside, this shrunken engine's 107.2mm bore and 101.0mm stroke pencil out to a 7,293cc (445-cubic-inch) displacement—a bump of 532cc over the V-10. The oversquare cylinder dimensions also help reduce cylinder-wall friction and heat transfer, improving overall efficiency relative to the V-10's undersquare (90.2mm bore/105.8mm stroke) design. Overall weight is also reduced by about 50 pounds. It's currently the largest-displacement gas V-8 in the class, but there's room in this clean-sheet design to bump the bore and stroke up a bit, should any of its bragging rights come under fire. There's also oodles of room in the valley to accommodate a supercharger.
Variable cam timing. There is a cam phaser on the single in-block cam. It's a simple fixed-overlap kind like those found on GM Small Block and FCA Hemi V-8s, not the Mechadyne DuoCam setup that provides for separate intake and exhaust timing variability like the one used on the Dodge Viper. It can rotate the cam up to 60 degrees. Advancing overall timing improves low-end/light-load torque and fuel economy; retarding it at high speeds improves horsepower. Cylinder deactivation will not be available at launch but could be added if that feature proves incredibly valuable to Ram HD customers. We're told the camshaft bearings are larger than most, and roller rockers and followers are used to reduce high-speed friction. Also variable: the oil pump displacement (great for running that hydraulically actuated cam phaser).
Port injection only. After Ford added port and direct fuel injection to the F-150's six-cylinder engines and changed the 5.0-liter to direct injection last year, we were a bit surprised to find port injection on this clean-sheet engine. It turns out the anticipated higher-load, lower-speed duty cycle these Super Duty applications experience don't warrant the increased expense of direct injection. Also, the new 10-speed automatic transmission helps keep the engine operating in its "peak efficiency island" of 1,500 to 2,500 rpm. And even without DI, this new engine manages to tolerate 10.5:1 compression. Oh, and if the fuel you prefer to inject is compressed natural gas, Ford will again offer a CNG conversion kit.
Strong and Cool. The all-new cast iron block and forged steel crankshaft are built for heavy-duty loads, with four-bolt, cross-bolted main bearings. Oil jets cool the steel pistons just like on many high-power engine applications. The engine will be manufactured in Ford's Windsor, Ontario, engine plant.
6.7-Liter Power Stroke Diesel
In-house. At the press event introducing its new Super Duty trucks, representatives frequently repeated the fact that Ford is the only manufacturer that designs and builds all of its own heavy-duty engines and transmissions—a not-so-subtle dig at FCA's Cummins engine and Aisin transmission suppliers and GM's use of Allison trannies. Indeed Ford's latest 6.7-liter turbodiesel V-8 marks the third generation of in-house Power Stroke diesels since parting with Navistar in 2010.
Strengthened numbers. The basic block architecture is unchanged, but the compacted-graphite iron block and aluminum heads, along with the rods, bearings, and pistons, are all strengthened to withstand increased in-cylinder pressures expected in this "most powerful diesel ever offered in a Super Duty." Power and torque figures have yet to be released, but the emphasis on power makes us wonder: Is Ford preparing us for a torque spec that doesn't quite top the new Ram/Cummins' kilo-lb-ft, but a power figure that blows away its 400 hp? (The second-gen 6.7-liter makes 450 hp and 935 lb-ft.) When asked, diesel tech specialist David Ives demurred, emphasizing that while torque gets a big load moving, it's the power rating you need to keep it climbing the Davis Dam at a constant speed. We look forward to testing exactly that later this summer.
Highest fuel-injection pressure. A new fuel system provides a common-rail injection pressure of 36,000 psi—a new class record. The pump, located in the valley of the vee, is gear-driven at crankshaft speed off the (also gear-driven) cam. The fuel lines and rails are also upgraded, as are the piezo injectors themselves. They feature a new spray pattern and are capable of up to eight separate injection events per cycle.
New turbo. It's still located in the valley of this "hot-vee" setup, but it is now quicker to respond to throttle inputs thanks to a revised variable-nozzle turbine that benefits from fully electric instead of electro-hydraulic control. Ives was mum about peak turbo pressure.
TorqShift 10-Speed Automatic
Three sizes. This year more variations on the basic transmission design developed in conjunction with General Motors are rolling out. We now learn that at Ford the design has been developed in three torque classes. The lightest-duty one goes in the Mustang and will be arriving soon in the Ford Explorer and Lincoln Navigator. The middle one is already in use in the F-150. Super Duty applications will employ the largest one. The "barrel" of the transmission, where all the planetary-gear magic happens, increases in diameter with each step up, allowing for beefier shafts, gears, and plates in the multiplate clutches.
All new. Less than 7 percent of parts are shared between the F-150 10-speed and the Super Duty TorqShift transmissions. Those that do carry over are primarily minor fasteners. Gear ratios have not been provided as yet, but we're told they aren't very different, though heavily loaded Super Duty vehicles may skip gears much less often than the light-duty trucks do. The new transmission also supports multiple drive modes, including normal, tow/haul, eco, slippery, and deep sand and snow. And, as with the F-150, the much broader ratio spread promises improved performance and economy relative to the G6 six-speed TorqShift it replaces. It also fits in the same space and weighs just 3.5 pounds more than the G6.
Live-Drive power takeoff. Another major differentiator is the power takeoff that's offered as an option on Super Duty applications. Opt for Live-Drive, and the gearing that powers the oil pump gets scaled up so that the idler gear can deliver power for things like a hydraulic pump for dump trucks, bucket lifts, etc. As before, it works whether moving or stopped, and Ford claims this latest application can provide more power.
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I'd be interested in seeing the HP & Torque numbers.
I can't imagine why they didn't list those.
I'm not adverse to a gas engine. But diesel serves my purposes better for now.
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Let’s see the hp/torque curve. The engine needs to make its’ power down low, like the old IH gas engines. Peak torque at 4500 rpm doesn’t make for a useful truck engine...
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Sounds expensive, and complicated
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Sounds expensive, and complicated They all are these days. With a single cam and no cylinder dactivation it's simpler than a lot of new offerings.
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The diesel is complicated, the pushrod 7.3 definitely less so. I will definitely be thinking about a F250 - probably next year.
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It would be interesting if it made enough torque at low end, and got more than 8mpg.
The gas mileage being horrible, as well as an iffy low end torque curve on gas engines is what made the diesels more popular.
They need to break free of that if it's going to be a "new" anything.
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Article I read claims the 10 speed should keep it in its peak torque range of 1500-2500rpm. If so I see a lot of them being sold. Ford claims it has better numbers than GM and Ram gas offerings. Ram 6.4 is 410hp and 479tq so it should make some serious grunt, hopefully down low.
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Sounds thirsty...work truck is an F350 with the 6.2, good truck and all but fuel mileage is horrible. It only has the 6spd tyranny, so maybe the 10spd will help.
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Maybe to run regular with such high compression??
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I'd be interested in seeing the HP & Torque numbers.
I can't imagine why they didn't list those.
I'm not adverse to a gas engine. But diesel serves my purposes better for now. Yup, it'll take a chit-ton of gas hp and torque to hang with a diesel working, even then, it wont get the fuel mileage and will be LOTS harder to keep it cool, i'll stick with my old '06 cummins.
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Hell yeah Big Jim, bought a '96 first and ran it near trouble free for 10, this ones 13 and still too damn good to sell and replace, I'd be 75K short with higher insurance rates with something that wouldn't do a dang thing better than I can do now.
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Hell yeah Big Jim, bought a '96 first and ran it near trouble free for 10, this ones 13 and still too damn good to sell and replace, I'd be 75K short with higher insurance rates with something that wouldn't do a dang thing better than I can do now. I think that Jim meant that an 06 would be NEWISH for him !
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That's a lot more truck than I'll ever need.
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Hell yeah Big Jim, bought a '96 first and ran it near trouble free for 10, this ones 13 and still too damn good to sell and replace, I'd be 75K short with higher insurance rates with something that wouldn't do a dang thing better than I can do now. I think that Jim meant that an 06 would be NEWISH for him ! LOL, 10-4, Slim Jim aint fooling me, I'm a farmer too, he's just laying in sweat equity right now being a hell of a good Daddy and raising those kids, when he gets to be my age, he can do, or buy as he pleases too. And he probably typed that from the seat of a $500K Combine!
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Sounds great.. But it may be wise to wait one year and see how that new 10-sp trans holds up to serious hauling.. . Those of us who do, at times, tow a pretty big/heavy 5th wheel camper might benefit from the new trans, IF the bottom couple gears are reconfigured from the current 6-sp trans to allow for easier getaway..
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I'd be interested in seeing the HP & Torque numbers.
I can't imagine why they didn't list those.
I'm not adverse to a gas engine. But diesel serves my purposes better for now. Yup, it'll take a chit-ton of gas hp and torque to hang with a diesel working, even then, it wont get the fuel mileage and will be LOTS harder to keep it cool, That.
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1st new rangers supposedly have a recall on some of the 1st batch of em with the 10 speed tranny. Some electronic something or other in the shift system. Different vehicle might be similar engineering design .
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probably be a good workhorse/puller , but Im afraid over 7 liters of gasser will be on the thirsty side........
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probably be a good workhorse/puller , but Im afraid over 7 liters of gasser will be on the thirsty side........ Ya THINK? IIRC, the (somewhat) precursor to that was the venerable 460 from the '70s Lincolns... I had a couple.. Got MAYBE 10 mpg on a good day... But I have to admit I still kinda miss that '78 Williamsburg Town Car with the 460 in it.. Damn, that was a comfy car..and the leather was about 1/2" thick.. The hood was long enough that I would have time to exit after a crash before the inertia got to the cab...
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I've run Fords for work trucks and the only one I have left is an F350 flatbed 4x4 with a 460 and an automatic. It's the most gutless POS work truck I've ever driven and it gets 6 mpg. Yeah, I'm real eager to buy more Fords.
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ran an 88 K3500 454 for near 20 years....got 10 empty and 7.5 to 8 pulling
motor held up good , but it ate starters right and left
lots of 460 Ford pickups around these parts back in the day....6 to 10 mpg the usual performance
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It sounds terrible, especially when you hear about all these diesel guys that are getting 30 MPG on the highest tune setting, with huge tires and a lift kit.
A set of truck nuts, a chunk of gated pipe painted black sticking up through the bed, and a shiny new receiver hitch.
These guys are pulling 55,000 pound trailers at 90 miles a hour over Rodgers Pass. In the snow, during a July heat wave.
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If it's anything like their past powertrains no thanks. repaired to many Ford engines and transmissions in the past to ever want to look at a Ford again.
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New females, guns and cartridges are fun to try.
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I've run Fords for work trucks and the only one I have left is an F350 flatbed 4x4 with a 460 and an automatic. It's the most gutless POS work truck I've ever driven and it gets 6 mpg. Yeah, I'm real eager to buy more Fords. I don't know what year your truck is but I had a '96 F-250 EC with the 460 that would pull a house and I got anywhere from 8-12 mpg, I sold it because of the gas mileage but it was a helluva truck for towing.
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A lot of folks blame engines instead of poor gearing and drive ratios.
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New females, guns and cartridges are fun to try.
Vehicles, not so much.
Ha ha, too true. Best give them a few years to work the bugs out. Remember Fords 6.0 diesel? I think the time has come for big block gas engines. The emission on the new diesels aren't reliable , repair cost is astronomical. Fuel cost are higher. Between increased fuel cost and diesel being a $10k option you can buy a lot of gas. I am not a Ford guy and would like to see Chevy come out with a new version of the 8.1 big block. That being said , if I you are a full time hauler of really heavy loads you cant beat a diesel. For everyone else the gas makes more sense.
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Will it fit in a Mustang ?
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Will it fit in a Mustang ? It’s a cast iron block, rumored to be too heavy for a Mustang.
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I've run Fords for work trucks and the only one I have left is an F350 flatbed 4x4 with a 460 and an automatic. It's the most gutless POS work truck I've ever driven and it gets 6 mpg. Yeah, I'm real eager to buy more Fords. I can tell by your saying it had a 460 engine that you are sure up to date in automotive technology... Yeah, nothin's changed since then. It went away in '96... That's 23 years ago.
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How many gallons to the mile does it get?
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My old man’s last two superduties make a pretty interesting comparison. His old one was a 6.7 that averaged 17mpg for the 7 years he drove it. The new one is a 6.2 that averages 12. He sold the diesel out of fear of having to have major repairs done, it was 8 years old and he’d already had a few little things here and there. The gas truck is equipped just like the old diesel, mid level XLT package, and was $9,300 less than if he’d checked the diesel option. He doesn’t tow stuff every day, but often enough to need a 3/4 ton truck. He figured, as I do that you can buy one heck of a bunch of gasoline for the difference in purchase price.
If you’re hauling a backhoe or skid steer every day, you probably need a diesel. Move a couple hundred bales of hay twice a year and tow a stock trailer short distances, car hauled occasionally, haul wood and maybe drag the camper a couple thousand miles a year it’s likely that you’ll be good to go with the gas burner and money ahead.
Sadly the days of everlasting diesels that need minimal repair and maintenance are behind us. Even deleting and tuning a new one to get rid of the stupid EPA garbage will run into the thousands of dollars if you have a shop do it.
I’m willing to bet that this thing will not only walk all over the old 454, 460, 440, and 392s but it will likely get better mileage and last longer.
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If and when I get rid of my '03 F350(6.0) the replacement will most certainly be gas.
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Smart move Sammo, I have had my fill of diesels also. Brings back memories of ice fishing at Ft. Peck and having to put the coleman stove under the oil pan to get the damn diesel started.....
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There's not much a 3/4 ton pickup with 400hp/800ft lbs can't do as far as pickups go. Rather than the race to 500hp/1000 ft lbs, I'd MUCH rather see significantly better fuel mileage and lower maintenance/repair costs.
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probably be a good workhorse/puller , but Im afraid over 7 liters of gasser will be on the thirsty side........ Ya THINK? IIRC, the (somewhat) precursor to that was the venerable 460 from the '70s Lincolns... I had a couple.. Got MAYBE 10 mpg on a good day... But I have to admit I still kinda miss that '78 Williamsburg Town Car with the 460 in it.. Damn, that was a comfy car..and the leather was about 1/2" thick.. The hood was long enough that I would have time to exit after a crash before the inertia got to the cab... I had a 1979 3/4 ton Ford with the 460 engine. It would run a hole in the wind or pull the hinges off of Hell. I had a 1976 with the 390 before that. Both were good pickups.
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I'd expect the number to be close to 450 HP, 500+ TQ. With some 4.10 or 4.30 gears and the 10 speed, that should make a very capable truck.
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4.10's or 4.30 gears ain't going to help the fuel economy much!
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My next truck will hopefully be my last. I'm running an 08 F250 with the 6.4 diesel. I took off the death inducing EPA crap, put in a coolant filter, and religiously change out the fuel filters. I just passed 106K miles, and it pulls a 14.5K lb. equipment trailer like a kitten on a string. But repairs on this beast are outrageous because they have to pull the cab to do about anything.
My last gasser was a 95 460 and I really liked that motor. These days I don't care as much about non-towing fuel economy since I have a Honda accord that gets 38 mpg or so. I really only use a pickup to tow. This new 7.3L gasser has me intrigued.
It has a fully rollerized valve train, which should make it last longer than the old 460 did. The exhaust manifolds are cast stainless instead of cast iron. The exhaust manifolds on the 460 were prone to cracking. I like the lack of a high pressure fuel pump. I bet this thing makes decent torque down low. If it puts down 550-600 ft. lb. at 2800 rpm and gets 8 mpg towing, I'll probably get one.
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While I’m excited to see it, I think Ford would do well to re-engineer the old 4.9 straight six.
Make it lighter in weight. The old one was heavier than a small block v8. Add forced induction. A smallish turbo that would spool up and hit modest boost at 2000-2500 rpm, combined with a the long stroke and decent displacement, could produce a torque monster that would be awesome.
Straight sixes just seem to be such a well balanced configuration.
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It has a fully rollerized valve train, which should make it last longer than the old 460 did. The exhaust manifolds are cast stainless instead of cast iron. The exhaust manifolds on the 460 were prone to cracking. I like the lack of a high pressure fuel pump. I bet this thing makes decent torque down low. If it puts down 550-600 ft. lb. at 2800 rpm and gets 8 mpg towing, I'll probably get one.
That's about how I see it. 8 MPG sounds bad, but right now gas is ~2.00/gal and diesel is ~2.80 where I live, so the fuel difference isn't as great as folks think. My diesel gets ~11 MPG towing relatively heavy, and about ~17-18 empty. My old diesel is still strong so I'm not in a hurry to replace it, but if this new 7.3 is as good as I think it's going to be, I'll be interested.
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probably be a good workhorse/puller , but Im afraid over 7 liters of gasser will be on the thirsty side........ Ya THINK? IIRC, the (somewhat) precursor to that was the venerable 460 from the '70s Lincolns... I had a couple.. Got MAYBE 10 mpg on a good day... But I have to admit I still kinda miss that '78 Williamsburg Town Car with the 460 in it.. Damn, that was a comfy car..and the leather was about 1/2" thick.. The hood was long enough that I would have time to exit after a crash before the inertia got to the cab... I had a 1979 3/4 ton Ford with the 460 engine. It would run a hole in the wind or pull the hinges off of Hell. I had a 1976 with the 390 before that. Both were good pickups. Talk about not passing a gas station! I also had a 76’witj a 390 but mine was an F-100 full time 4x4. She passed everything but a gas pump.
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While I’m excited to see it, I think Ford would do well to re-engineer the old 4.9 straight six.
Make it lighter in weight. The old one was heavier than a small block v8. Add forced induction. A smallish turbo that would spool up and hit modest boost at 2000-2500 rpm, combined with a the long stroke and decent displacement, could produce a torque monster that would be awesome.
Straight sixes just seem to be such a well balanced configuration.
Why the hell would they do that? The 2 6-cylinders they have now make 3-4 time the hp the 300 made, get twice the gas mileage and are a hellova lot more fun to drive.
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Sounds expensive, and complicated They all are these days. With a single cam and no cylinder deactivation it's simpler than a lot of new offerings. And 2 valves per cylinder. They even brought back spark plug wires.
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4.10's or 4.30 gears ain't going to help the fuel economy much! Ford engineers are expecting it to do a little better than the 6.2. Perfomance wise they expect to land between the 6.2 and the Diesel. They should be able to do a lot better with a 10 speed trans. Why the heck is anyone really concerned with fuel economy when it seems everybody here pays cash out of an old flower sack for their vehicles?
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4.10's or 4.30 gears ain't going to help the fuel economy much! Gotta know more than the diff gearing to estimate mileage. Need to also know how much OD the 10spd is going to have, where in the RPM range it's making power, and how tall the tires are before you can even begin to estimate. Tall gears in 9th/10th can make 4:10s or 4:30s pretty groovy in the bottom 8.
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I am thinking Boss 445... I see I'm not the only one who spied that there's room in the V for a super-spool.
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Four bolt, and cross bolt mains, over square bore and stroke and forged crank . In a year or 2, somebody's gonna put one of these big blocks in an old school Ford musclecar resto-mod. I wish I could afford to.
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I am thinking Boss 445... I see I'm not the only one who spied that there's room in the V for a super-spool. Over on Fordtrucks,com someone that knows a lot more than I do said that new motor is ripe for forced induction.
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While I’m excited to see it, I think Ford would do well to re-engineer the old 4.9 straight six.
Make it lighter in weight. The old one was heavier than a small block v8. Add forced induction. A smallish turbo that would spool up and hit modest boost at 2000-2500 rpm, combined with a the long stroke and decent displacement, could produce a torque monster that would be awesome.
Straight sixes just seem to be such a well balanced configuration.
Why the hell would they do that? The 2 6-cylinders they have now make 3-4 time the hp the 300 made, get twice the gas mileage and are a hellova lot more fun to drive. They aren’t available in 3/4 or 1 ton trucks for a reason. More displacement, straight 6 configuration, add some squish, and you’d have an “eco boost” that may actually be worth putting in a work truck.
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I've run Fords for work trucks and the only one I have left is an F350 flatbed 4x4 with a 460 and an automatic. It's the most gutless POS work truck I've ever driven and it gets 6 mpg. Yeah, I'm real eager to buy more Fords. I don't know what year your truck is but I had a '96 F-250 EC with the 460 that would pull a house and I got anywhere from 8-12 mpg, I sold it because of the gas mileage but it was a helluva truck for towing. First dually I ever had was a '96 F-350 SC with the 460 and stick shift.. I was never, ever, lacking in power.. I wonder if the flatbed truck had a 460 with a 2 bbl carb instead of the 4bbl.. Yuge difference in performance..
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4.10's or 4.30 gears ain't going to help the fuel economy much! Gotta know more than the diff gearing to estimate mileage. Need to also know how much OD the 10spd is going to have, where in the RPM range it's making power, and how tall the tires are before you can even begin to estimate. Tall gears in 9th/10th can make 4:10s or 4:30s pretty groovy in the bottom 8. Exactly. I'm not interested in neutering the truck with 3.55 gears just to get an extra 1-2 mpg.
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