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I think you are correct in all you say. But I think the 2A would have been in better hands with a President other than Trump. I shudder at the thought of Hillary, but if a Dem went after guns, the Repubs would unite against it.
Trump can give up our rights and you won’t hear a whimper from either party.
Would the Repubs dare go after a Democrat who wanted to outlaw abortion? We tried Texans a Presidents, this country would never survive another one. Get over it.
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remember when you were 29?
This morning, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez released an overview of her “Green New Deal” which threatens "a massive transformation of our society."
Below are the details of the proposal.
Rebuild every single building in the U.S.
“Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency.”
Will end all traditional forms of energy in the next ten years.
The Green New Deal is “a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions.”
Plans to ban nuclear energy within 10 years if possible.
“It’s unclear if we will be able to decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years, but the plan is to transition off of nuclear and all fossil fuels as soon as possible.”
Build trains across oceans and end all air travel!
“Build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary”.
Don’t invest in new technology of Carbon Capture and Storage, just plant trees instead!
“We believe the right way to capture carbon is to plant trees and restore our natural ecosystems. CCUS technology to date has not proven effective.”
Mandates all new jobs be unionized.
“Ensure that all GND jobs are union jobs that pay prevailing wages and hire local.”
May include a carbon tax.
“We’re not ruling a carbon tax out, but a carbon tax would be a tiny part of a Green New Deal”
May include cap and trade.
“…Cap and trade may be a tiny part of the larger Green New Deal plan”
How much will it cost?
No estimate of the total cost of implementing the Green New deal is offered by Ocasio-Cortez.
However, as Ocasio-Cortez admits, “even if every billionaire and company came together and were willing to pour all the resources at their disposal into this investment, the aggregate value of the investments they could make would not be sufficient.”
She does provide one estimate that the cost to “repair and upgrade infrastructure U.S. infrastructure” alone will cost “$4.6 trillion at minimum”.
How will it be paid for? Don’t worry about that.
Ocasio-Cortez doesn’t provide any insight into how the trillions of dollars in spending will be paid for other than claiming, “The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit”.
But as Ocasio-Cortez says, “the question isn’t how will we pay for it, but what will we do with our new shared prosperity”. She is truly insane. Yeah. She's like the new 'good idea fairy' of the left. The innocence of ignorance. Plays well to the idiots. Wait until she craps in the wrong rice bowl.
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She exposed herself for what she is last night. An absolute clown.
Hope she likes her current gig because it's the highest she'll ever go. I hope you're right, I fear you're not ! Obama talked a lot of schitt that I thought would make him unelectable......I was wrong twice...…...bob
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...She's like the new 'good idea fairy' of the left... Anything seems possible when you don't know what you're doing. (my sig line on another forum.  )
"There's more to optics than meets the eye."--anon
"...most of us would be better off losing half a pound around the waist than half a pound on our rifle."--dhg
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...She's like the new 'good idea fairy' of the left... Anything seems possible when you don't know what you're doing. (my sig line on another forum. ) Maybe so but she’s getting a lot of air time
The degree of my privacy is no business of yours.
What we've learned from history is that we haven't learned from it.
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It is telling that some of you become practically irate that I bring up the subject of OUR 2A rights, You want to make ME the topic of conversation rather than addressing Donald Trump’s willingness to abrogate them.
I don’t have to brand y’all as phonies on the subject. You’ve branded yourselves.
Just as your Hero has branded himself as a phony on gun rights.
You can expect that I’ll keep on rubbing your faces in the truth about this topic so get used to it.
Never holler whoa or look back in a tight place
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Don't underestimate how stupid and easily manipulated the dimocrats really are.
BINGO!
Liberalism is a cancer
Support Christian Family values
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Curdog 25/20? .......  its more symptomatic of Mogen David 20-20 or "Mad Dog" , which is kinda like....never mind.
.... like tears in the rain
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I fear that some handlers will get her under control . The media loves her even if she is dumb as a rock.
under control of the right people the left would go nuts.
Remember Barry.
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You can expect that I’ll keep on rubbing your faces in the truth about this topic so get used to it. Cruz ate a booger on national TV Cruz could not win any swing state So let me remind your little whiny biotch ass Your plan was to send Cruz to politely lose to Hillary Ergo you wanted Hillary to win That is the truth And we never tire of your whining you sore loser. At this point you come off worse than the commie trolls on here. At least the commie trolls openly and honestly supported Hillary. Were I a commie, I would have loved Cruz in '16. Dude never had a chance to break 200 electoral votes.
It's about like this:
"Do you puff peters?"
"Hell no!"
"NAZI!!!"
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You’ll talk about anything other than Trump and the 2A , won’t you?
Maybe you don’t like guns?
Snowflakes like you seem to think this Campfire Forum is your own personal safe space where you are never confronted with the truth.
Get used to it. It’s probably only gonna get worse for you.
Never holler whoa or look back in a tight place
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I had a conversation with my brother in law yesterday. He is a life-long liberal who has hunted in the past but he has been an extremely progressive democrat. He came to the realization that the money that he had worked his whole life to earn with my sister(They are both teachers) would easily be redistributed to the socialists who were in this ilk. I didn't want to laugh but he had an "OH S5IT" moment was really pissed about this direction of the democratic Party. I just told him that I was glad that they weren't republicans.
I think that many of the liberal elite democrats and independents living in the suburbs are going to see this and if they don't support Howard Shultz that they will break in huge numbers for Trump.
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I hope I live to see the day when all political parties die. The whole system is a con.
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You’ll talk about anything other than Trump and the 2A , won’t you?
Maybe you don’t like guns?
Snowflakes like you seem to think this Campfire Forum is your own personal safe space where you are never confronted with the truth.
Get used to it. It’s probably only gonna get worse for you. Single issue voters that live in a one dimensional simplistic knee jerk world. Open borders Cruz barely re won his seat from some loser on a skateboard
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It is telling that some of you become practically irate that I bring up the subject of OUR 2A rights, You want to make ME the topic of conversation rather than addressing Donald Trump’s willingness to abrogate them.
I don’t have to brand y’all as phonies on the subject. You’ve branded yourselves.
Just as your Hero has branded himself as a phony on gun rights.
You can expect that I’ll keep on rubbing your faces in the truth about this topic so get used to it. No, you are delusional. Many of us voted single issue - SCOTUS. You have to win to pick the justices. Cruz could not win. Perot could not win. You consistently side with the left. Your reasoning, such as it is, makes no phouking difference. You are still aligned with the left.
Broncos are officially the worst team in the nation this year.
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It is telling that some of you become practically irate that I bring up the subject of OUR 2A rights, You want to make ME the topic of conversation rather than addressing Donald Trump’s willingness to abrogate them.
I don’t have to brand y’all as phonies on the subject. You’ve branded yourselves.
Just as your Hero has branded himself as a phony on gun rights.
You can expect that I’ll keep on rubbing your faces in the truth about this topic so get used to it. No, you are delusional. Many of us voted single issue - SCOTUS. You have to win to pick the justices. Cruz could not win. Perot could not win. You consistently side with the left. Your reasoning, such as it is, makes no phouking difference. You are still aligned with the left. You brought up “ delusional “. Y’all are still talking about Cruz....he lost. Trump is the one aligning himself with the Left by his stance on bump stocks, his rhetoric on red flag laws, and his nomination of a gun grabber for Attornry General. You would be more honest if you just admit that the 2A is not very high on your priority list. Or...condemn Trump for his duplicity on the issue while admitting he fooled you. Accusing me of being a Democrat or leftist is ridiculous as well as dishonest since Im the one sticking up for the Constitution.
Never holler whoa or look back in a tight place
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It is telling that some of you become practically irate that I bring up the subject of OUR 2A rights, You want to make ME the topic of conversation rather than addressing Donald Trump’s willingness to abrogate them.
I don’t have to brand y’all as phonies on the subject. You’ve branded yourselves.
Just as your Hero has branded himself as a phony on gun rights.
You can expect that I’ll keep on rubbing your faces in the truth about this topic so get used to it. No, you are delusional. Many of us voted single issue - SCOTUS. You have to win to pick the justices. Cruz could not win. Perot could not win. You consistently side with the left. Your reasoning, such as it is, makes no phouking difference. You are still aligned with the left. You brought up “ delusional “. Y’all are still talking about Cruz....he lost. Trump is the one aligning himself with the Left by his stance on bump stocks, his rhetoric on red flag laws, and his nomination of a gun grabber for Attornry General. You would be more honest if you just admit that the 2A is not very high on your priority list. Or...condemn Trump for his duplicity on the issue while admitting he fooled you. Accusing me of being a Democrat or leftist is ridiculous as well as dishonest since Im the one sticking up for the Constitution. I didn't accuse you of being a leftist, I accurately pointed out that your stance allies you with them. Makes no difference what you tell yourself, you are actively sided with the left in opposing Trump. I voted for Trump because of SCOTUS. I had 2, only 2 viable options. Clinton or Trump. I'm not stupid enough to write-in or piss a vote away on 3rd party. That would be astronomically stupid, so I voted Trump. Guess what? 2 SCOTUS appointments so far and a 3rd coming. SCOTUS is much more important than a transient in the white house. I'll take that over pissing and moaning while offering up ZERO alternatives other than we should all have joined you in Delusionville when voting.
Broncos are officially the worst team in the nation this year.
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ANY Republican President would have been given the same list of names that Trump picked from and would very likely have made the same choices so he is due no points for that. I will admit, and have before, that he is to be commended for sticking with Kavanaugh when the going got rough.A couple or three on that stage might have deserted him.
If I was in the same boat as you, Hatari, etal, I’d be tempted to fast forward to the General Election where Hillary was the alternative just as y’all are doing. But I believe that I’d have to revisit the Primaries in my mind and admit that there were candidates on that stage who are genuinely committed to the 2A. Self deception ain’t my gig.
And I’m not delusional enough to take comfort by claiming only Trump could beat Hillary. He was the one who parroted that claim, along with saying he would put her in prison.
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And I’m not delusional enough to take comfort by claiming only Trump could beat Hillary. If, I recall we had 4 choices on election day, Trump, the Libertarian ,the Green Party, and Hillary, So, who do you think could have beat Hillary on election day. I, for one knew Trump was not the most ardent supporter of 2A, but on election day he was the best choice. Unfortunately, on election day it always come down to the lesser of the evils. If you need comfort, take comfort, Hillary did not win.
There is a war on America and America is losing
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republicans were the party of the rich and Dem's were for the working man one of the greatest lies ever told; right up there with conservative democrat  Winner-Winner Chicken Dinner.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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