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#13548772 - 02/10/19 First M99s in .300?  
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What is the year of the earliest M99 chambered in .300? Also is it correct to think the 1899s never came in .300? I'm looking for two 99/1899s, one in .300 and one in 22HP. I think we all know which is going to be the easier one to find ( and cheaper ) :-D For the 22HP I'm looking for one with a perch belly so I know the date range and as long as it has a perch belly I'll go with any model. However, I'm wondering what the date range for the .300s are, so I can pick the model I want. I have a feeling I'll be able to be a little more picky buying on in .300.

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#13548879 - 02/10/19 Re: First M99s in .300? [Re: damnesia]  
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The only 1899 perch belly in 22 HP was the 1899H takedown. They are around. We had a post recently on the earliest 300 and we pretty much narrowed it down to 1921.


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#13549136 - 02/10/19 Re: First M99s in .300? [Re: damnesia]  
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Was the last 1899 stamped as an 1899 around 1924? Probably would have just been easier to ask "Were any Savage 1899s chambered in .300?"

#13549515 - 02/10/19 Re: First M99s in .300? [Re: damnesia]  
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The "1899" to "99" switchover was a marketing name change, not anything to do with the rifles themselves. They continued stamping 1899 on the receiver for a few years, they even continued using 1899 and 99 interchangeably the first year or so in ads and catalogs after introducing the 99 models, the 300 Savage and the 410 barrels (all date to 1921).

So were there "1899's" chambered in 300 Savage? Not as we refer to them amongst ourselves. But in reality the first 5 years of 99's were physically identical to the late 1899's so ???.

But any 300 Savage you pick up will have been catalogued as a model A - G (or later), it won't have been named with Murray's practice of using the telegraph order code. The 1899's were named off telegraph codes, the 99's off of catalog models.

#13549947 - 02/10/19 Re: First M99s in .300? [Re: Calhoun]  
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Originally Posted by Calhoun

So were there "1899's" chambered in 300 Savage? Not as we refer to them amongst ourselves. But in reality the first 5 years of 99's were physically identical to the late 1899's so ???.


No idea why, but I prefer the longer model name for whatever reason if given a choice. Then I started to wonder what exists.

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#13549992 - 02/10/19 Re: First M99s in .300? [Re: damnesia]  
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There is overlap in model names between the Murray created ones from the telegraph codes and the catalogued ones. This is why it's best to stick to "99" for rifles made from 1921 onwards.

An 1899B is a rifle with 26" octagon barrel and crescent buttplate. We're all going to wonder what you're talking about if you are referring to an 1921 99B - which is a rifle with 26" round barrel and octagon barrel. Or an 1899F, which is a solid frame saddle ring carbine - versus a 1921 99F which is a featherweight takedown. An 1899H is a featherweight model, the 99H is not a featherweight and it's a carbine style.

Free country, you can call them what ya like. Just expect confusion.

#13550300 - 02/11/19 Re: First M99s in .300? [Re: damnesia]  
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I own a clearly imprinted 1899 in 300 Savage. All the serial numbers match.
It is a take down model. Based on the serial number, some of the smarter fellows here tell me that it is a G model built in 1922.
The discussion that produced this info should still be available with a little searching.


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#13550350 - 02/11/19 Re: First M99s in .300? [Re: damnesia]  
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Rory just said they continued to stamp the barrels 1899 several years after they changed to 99. The Model 99 G Deluxe, take down, pistol grip, checkered, made from 1922 to 1941 is a 99, not 1899. Yours is a typical example of one stamped 1899 after the change to 99 was made. If you have a copy of Murray's book go to page 3-5, it lists all of the models in order. They didn't make an 1899 G.


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#13550369 - 02/11/19 Re: First M99s in .300? [Re: damnesia]  
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one of my 99 Take downs is from 1921.


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#13550389 - 02/11/19 Re: First M99s in .300? [Re: jorgeI]  
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Originally Posted by jorgeI
one of my 99 Take downs is from 1921.

What date is stamped on it, 99 or 1899? I think this is the point always being made. It's a confusing period. The letters used as models on the 1899's are something Murray created, not Savage, so we would understand what each other was talking about.


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#13550397 - 02/11/19 Re: First M99s in .300? [Re: damnesia]  
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I will have to look and get back to you guys.


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#13550594 - 02/11/19 Re: First M99s in .300? [Re: damnesia]  
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I have 3 300 Savages made in 1923, a cased set, a C and a D and a 99H 303 made in 1925. All are marked on the receiver ring as Savage Model 1899. Savage had been cataloging them as 99's since 1921. They probably used the 1899 stamps until they wore out.


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#13551327 - 02/11/19 Re: First M99s in .300? [Re: damnesia]  
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I think the 1899 stamps on the receiver ring continued up until 1926 or so.

But just like rifles stamped 99M aren't a model 99M, not all rifles stamped Savage 1899 are what we refer to as 1899. In reality Savage didn't care, it was just a marketing name change. Call it an 1899 or 99 in 1925 and they knew what you meant.

Once you get recognize the fact there was no physical change in 1921, it stops mattering very much whether it's referred to as an 1899 or 99. But the catalogs DID change to referring to them as 99's, as did the ads.

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#13552180 - 02/11/19 Re: First M99s in .300? [Re: damnesia]  
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I does matter to me personally, for aesthetics most likely although I'm not exactly sure why I have a preference. Same with cars a different color of interior would be the same as a different model stamp. The seats function identically and are exactly the same except for the color, but everyone will have a different preference on which they prefer.

#13552342 - 02/11/19 Re: First M99s in .300? [Re: damnesia]  
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As a internet surfer, I don't let facts get in my way!
Honestly, it is irrelevant to me whether my rifle is a 99 or 1899, but in my mind, there is a "cool" factor to the 1899 imprint.
In reality, I feel a bit of pride in actually hunting with the old girl. She has enabled me to take several whitetail bucks, and just last Sept, a Newfie bull moose. Every one was a clean kill.
To my eyes, she a handsome blend of walnut and steel that is a wonderful thing to drag around the woods. I often wonder what tales she could tell about her first 80+ years.


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#13552519 - 02/11/19 Re: First M99s in .300? [Re: fishdog52]  
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She'll have more tales to tell when you are done with her by the look of things.

Imagine the first man that took her out of the box 80 years ago and held her in his hands. His brand new rifle that he had dreamed about and saved and saved for. Probably wore the pages out of an old Savage catalog looking at it daily for who knows how long. Think about the men that will hold it and admire it long after you are gone. A perfect combination of beautiful wood and steel painstakingly made piece by piece by master craftsman long since dead and gone.

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#13552636 - 02/11/19 Re: First M99s in .300? [Re: damnesia]  
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Anyway.. date range on 300 Savage is from 1921 (about SN 234,000) up to 1997 in Savage 99's. 50th Anniversary 110 is in 300 Savage, so can go a bit later there. Pretty much every model, barring some postmils (though the postmil 99A in 300 Savage is a collector's dream due to rarity).

#13553943 - 02/12/19 Re: First M99s in .300? [Re: damnesia]  
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Rory, I'll have to claim 1999. I have a 99C 300 that letters as produced and shipped in 1999. It was an uncataloged version. There are a few others like it around. David


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#13554197 - 02/12/19 Re: First M99s in .300? [Re: damnesia]  
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I was going with the last year catalogued. The last year one was made could be 2002, when the last 99C was made. Or 1999. Don't know when the last 300 was made.

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It is speculated that the last run of 300's used up the leftover barrels (small quantity) from the CE run and was in 1999 (ones I have data on are in the F81xxxx, F82xxxx range).


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The CE had a unique barrel address and the 99C 300 barrels had the standard barrel address so they would have been stamped separately if they were leftover CE barrels. The RMEF rifle was also a 300 and had the standard address. I don't think they were leftover RMEF barrels since I'm sure the RMEF order specified the 50 produced. Just another Savage enigma.


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