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I believe most of us have that same frame

No she's too gentle for you. You'd get bored.

You greatly overestimate my ability to sit a horse...and to draw a sheep tag!

One year old next month with their packs on for the first time today. 5 Marc Warnke signature series kid packs and two 20-25 year old Caprine Supply packs from when I was a kid.

That’s cool! And... If times get tuff, there’s goat fer supper

Those little destructive bastards make me smile.

Bet U dollar 2 do nuts

Them goats would taste better than the elk they are packing!

They crack my ass up with all the funny shtuff they do. But yeah they can be hard on things to say the least.

What’s the trick to keeping them following along, tether them? My luck as a first time Shepherd, I would have these suckers scattered all over a mountain side to the point I’d be so frustrated, I just start shooting them hoping some would get the message that Noah ain’t playing around with loading the Ark. 😎

You might not have the genetics for shepherding.

I've eaten a lot of both. There really isn't much difference between them assuming the meat is properly cared for. Both are very low in fat since they don't marble.

Bottle feeding. They are bonded to me and so far at least, wouldn’t think of getting out of sight. Only time I’ve ever leashes them was for training creek crossing. I’ve yet to tie them up at night for camping but that is coming. They come when called too.

Here's an interesting contrast between goats and llamas. The WORST thing you can do with a baby male llama is get it bonded to you. Males that bond later get what's called Berserk Llama Syndrome. Males constantly fight for dominance and they play rough. At about 18 months, they start hitting sexual maturity and they start the dominance fighting. If they've bonded, they can't differentiate between people and other llamas and they will fight the people, too. It's a pain at best and they can get dangerous. Castrating doesn't help and they never get over it.

I have one of them like that. I took him off the hands of a young couple with kids before someone got hurt. He was 2 at the time. I told them that I'd try to make a packer out of him but if I failed, we'd eat him. They were glad to see him go. He's big and has turned into a pretty decent packer but I never take my eyes off of him in the pasture. He could chest bump me and knock me flat. He's twice my weight. I treat him rough and he respects me. He'll try to get in my way when I'm doing something and I knee him in the belly. I've whacked him with a stick many times. Llamas constantly push, bite, and spit at each other so I'm not doing anything they don't do themselves. I put up with his nonsense because he's a good packer but I always keep him in the lead where I can control him. You don't put your best llama in the lead. You put the worst one there where you have him in hand if he pulls any stunts. You put the best one in back somewhere where he can help keep the others in line.

This might turn off some people to llamas but it's just a matter of learning the animals before you get into it. A llama raised normally will never get this. It's bottle fed ones or ones that are handled a lot as babies that are the problem. You can halter train a baby without a problem. It's the petting and cuddling that brings it on. Let Mama raise him normally and you'll never see it.

Here's a classic example of what a Berserk llama will do. A normal llama won't come up to you like this one is at the beginning. The action starts in the 2d half. It's titled 'Funny llama attack' but there's nothing funny about it. It's a defective llama and a dangerous situation.

No doubt goats can be as dangerous, especially with horns. I’ve flipped two of mine to discipline them. It’s apparently a centuries old technique to reassert dominance without hitting them. Hitting them often just antagonizes them into more head butting. Both flips were for minor offenses but things that could lead to dangerous situations if left unchecked. I have no concerns with my 2.5 year old son amongst the goats yet, but things could develop, as with any animal and it’s worth keeping an eye on.
But unlike horses and llamas, bottle fed goats rarely need to be lead, they will follow you anywhere.

Sounds like they are a lot like Democrats.

Some llama packers will turn them loose to graze but I haven't had the nerve to try it. Sometime I might try turning a couple loose with 20' leads and keeping the rest tethered. They stick together pretty well so a couple likely won't go far.

Usually my back is my best hauler...😂
I've completely trashed my last backpack.

Kifaru tactical frame and AMR.

Gofundme Page needed for Sal, so he can get a Kifaru hauler. 😎