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This is apparently a new cartridge on the skyline (Shot Show presentation) for those states (i.e., Mich, Iowa, Indiana [?] to name a few) allowing straight-walled cartridges for deer hunting of late. The .350 Legend as I understand it is based off the .223 and opened up to .357 and with the same COAL. The ballistics for a 150-gr FTX-type of bullet zeroed for 150 will give you a hold-on for deer to 200. It’ll be priced similarly to the .223 ammo but will exceed its energy significantly (1800 ftlbs vs 1200 ftlbs, I presume at the muzzle).

This will be another option for those who forego the charcoal-burners, shotguns, the 450 Bushmaster, or handguns. Sounds interesting.

It’ll be a candidate for accurate bolt guns and I imagine AR uppers are in the works somewhere. Read more at:

https://www.range365.com/winchester-350-legend-birth-legend

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I wouldn’t have posted this if I had seen the previous “350 Legend” thread under Hunting Rifles. But reading through that thread, it’s clear that many don’t get it. It’s not just another cartridge thrown up into the wind hoping for a market. It has a ready-made, niche market of deer hunters in those states that have legalized straight-walled cartridges for those who want to hunt but are mandated to a handful of handgun cartridges incl the likes of the 444 and the 45/70 and a few others...if they don’t want to use a shotgun, handgun, or muzzleloader. These kinds of cartridge are not chosen by choice but by mandate. It’s the law.

No cartridges with shoulders; only those that somewhat replicate muzzle-loader ballistics and are on purpose relatively short-range affairs; this is for the rather high-density hunter areas and populated rural areas common in those states.

The great topper, I think is using the 223 case and OAL, making it a natural for AR’s, aside for the ease in a proper bolt gun.

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I thought some people were getting around the rule with a short 35 rem in certain states.


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I would love the inclusion of some of the milder, older lever-gun rounds like the 35 Rem, but revised, or no, if it has a shoulder it would be illegal in Iowa. Not sure about some of the other states.

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Gunblue on YouTube has reviewed it.

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Originally Posted by George_De_Vries_3rd

I would love the inclusion of some of the milder, older lever-gun rounds like the 35 Rem, but revised, or no, if it has a shoulder it would be illegal in Iowa. Not sure about some of the other states.


Not to mention all the extra bother involved. Loonys tend to lose sight of the fact that Joe Deerhunter wants things simple and over the counter.


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Originally Posted by humdinger
I thought some people were getting around the rule with a short 35 rem in certain states.

Indiana? That state was pretty weird for a while. I don't think it was a straight wall rule, but a caliber & length rule. Something like rifles had to be at least .35" with a case no longer than 1.8" or something. People came up with some neat little cartridges like a .35 WSSM.


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Indiana was never a straight wall rule.
Almost was but decided to go length limits instead.
Started out .35 min
1.16” minimum length was still is
1.625” max length which was then revised to
1.8” which it is now.
We now can use rifles of any caliber starting at .243 on private lands only the 1.16” min 1.8” max and .35 still stands on public lands.


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Yeah, you can imagine some with no gun background in these state legislatures trying to crack caliber-jargon, cartridge names, and case-capacity concepts...

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These new cartridges ( 450 Bushmaster, 350 Legend) are interesting and practical for these restricted areas. However, rules and legislation is constantly fluid and hard to keep up on. By the time these cartridges get a foothold the rules will change. What’s truly entertaining and frightening at the same time is going on some local forums where the IQ pool is rather shallow and reading some posts. I’m not sure what math calculations these guys are using but a lot of them somehow figure the 450 Bushmaster is an adequate 500 yard deer rifle. Try to explain to them that their figures may hold true for area target accuracy but not for hunting and all hell breaks loose. Thankfully I don’t hunt in those areas where there are 450 Bushsnipers around. I’m thinking if I did a nice lever gun in 44 Mag or a Ruger 77/44 would be my Huckleberry. Kind of sounds like the 351 Self Loading revisited.

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I noted that on another sight, they reinvented a 112 year old cartridge that even came in a semi-auto.


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Originally Posted by erich
I noted that on another sight, they reinvented a 112 year old cartridge that even came in a semi-auto.

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Originally Posted by erich
I noted that on another sight, they reinvented a 112 year old cartridge that even came in a semi-auto.


If you mean the .351 WSL, yeah kinda sorta. Probably not enough demand for it, but a handy, attractive SL fir the new round would be pretty nifty. Those old Winchesters were nice. Old Jack once remarked that "cops liked to shoot robbers with them". I saw at least one article way back when where someone converted one to .357. The new one's too long for the old Rugers, but ought to fit in a Mini, for those of us who find ARs oogly and unwieldy.


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And yet you can hunt coyotes at midnight shooting a 338 Lapua.


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Or, during the day.

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Did you get the part about it carrying a 9mm dia. bullet?

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Originally Posted by Hesp
Did you get the part about it carrying a 9mm dia. bullet?


The winchester press release says .357 bullet

https://winchester.com/350-Legend


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I used my 444 marlin and ruger 44 carbines. I don't have any issue with the restrictions. Might look into the legend. It would be awesome if Remington would chamber in a 7600 carbine

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The post I looked at says 357/9mm. I would think a true 35 cal bullet would be preferable. 350 Legend

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Hesp your reading too much into that 9mm part.
The writer of that article should have never included the 9mm part and left it at .357.
A 9mm is .355”
Trust me it is a true .357”
No .355” bullet would work for hunting at those velocities.


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