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Isn’t any better, half the stuff in there is used to make explosives. So if I'm reading this right he wants something that'll chemically strip copper out of a barrel but without anything reactive in it? Isn't that kind of like wanting gas for your vehicle that isn't flammable? Farts from a 6 week old labrador puppy vented through the barrel might do it, I dunno.
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Chit most everything in the paint, fat or fertilizer isle can make explosives
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Actually have a chub of salami in the fridge with no "added" nitrates or nitrites right now. Then it's no good for rifle cleaning. Has a nice thick course black pepper coating on it. It would probably do a decent job of scrubbing fouling out. And it's about the proper dimension for running down a 20mm cannon bore. Unfortunately, I don't have one of those to try it on, so I guess I continue eating it for my afternoon snack. Geno
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Heck we had carbon tet fire extinguishers at work, got used for cleaning parts off.
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I think Seafire might be getting a little cantankerous in his old age. It must boggle the mind that one of the main ingredients in a bore cleaner is also in his food.
Foods With Sodium Nitrate
Sodium nitrate isn't used in many foods, according to the American Meat Institute, and you're more likely to find sodium nitrite, one of the compounds formed spontaneously from sodium nitrate. However, natural sodium nitrate is still used in dry cured meats and meats made in specialty shops. Examples of these types of meats include prosciutto, capicola, salami, pancetta and lardo. If you're eating these meats, read the ingredients list to see if it contains the food additive. You can also ask the butcher or maker of the meat for information about the preservative content.
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Salami made without nitrates isnt salami..
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Salami made without nitrates isnt salami.. Well, that's likely true as most any salami I know of is made with salt and nitrates are one of the impurities in salt. I'd hazard a guess that when salami making started many hundreds, perhaps a thousand + years ago (according to some sources) the makers didn't know there was nitrates in their salt. The type I have in the fridge says "No added nitrates", which I would assume to mean they didn't add any more pure nitrates to the mix. I'm still not sure it would be good for bore cleaning though. Geno
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Heck we had carbon tet fire extinguishers at work, got used for cleaning parts off.
Sissy stuff. We had asbestos gloves.
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Salami made without nitrates isnt salami.. Well, that's likely true as most any salami I know of is made with salt and nitrates are one of the impurities in salt. I'd hazard a guess that when salami making started many hundreds, perhaps a thousand + years ago (according to some sources) the makers didn't know there was nitrates in their salt. The type I have in the fridge says "No added nitrates", which I would assume to mean they didn't add any more pure nitrates to the mix. I'm still not sure it would be good for bore cleaning though. Geno Years ago they added salt peter, which is potassium nitrate.
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So we have a suspension agent of ethylene glycol and water.
Ammonium Hydroxide which is an oxidizer.
Sodium Nitrate which is a salt but also an oxidizer, but also an acidic base.
Then we have a solvent which depending on solution is a ph 2.5 to 10
Mixed all together forms CR10
Now what exactly removes the copper?
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So we have a suspension agent of ethylene glycol and water.
Ammonium Hydroxide which is an oxidizer.
Sodium Nitrate which is a salt but also an oxidizer, but also an acidic base.
Then we have a solvent which depending on solution is a ph 2.5 to 10
Mixed all together forms CR10
Now what exactly removes the copper? Swifty, Ammonia? The nitrogen in ammonia and the nitrate? Been a long time since chem class, but something in there, alone or in combination is reactionary with the copper. Of course, I've just finished my first cup o' Joe and I may just be blowing smoke........................ maybe it's really the little people.........elves you know. Geno BWalker, I bet they did....................and probably fed it to soldiers so they wouldn't get too randy on a march.  Geno
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Kinda bored today, ordered some things one being Barnes CR10 solvent. Looking at the label it said Ethylene Glycol, so got to digging into the MSDS.
HAZARDOUS INGREDIENTS
ETHYLENE GLYCOL BUTYL ETHER = Anti-Freeze blended with water
AMMONIUM HYDROXIDE = Ammonia
SODIUM NITRATE = Jerky Cure
M-Pyrol
Proprietary Blend = stable acidic salt.
So I have been cleaning the bore with acidic salt, mixed with jerky cure and ammonia suspended in diluted anti-freeze. 😂
I am now questioning my sanity as to why I buy it.
Read the ingredients carefully before chasing rabbits. ethylene glycol BUTYL ETHER - ethylene glycol BUTYL ETHER. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-ButoxyethanolIt's a solvent, NOT antifreeze.
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I know exactly what it is, not going down a rabbit hole. It’s a base, dilutant or stabilizer. CAS# 111-76-2 https://www.barnesbullets.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Barnes-Bullets-CR102.pdfhttps://manavchem.com/pdf/GLYCOL%20ETHER.pdf CAS NO.111-76-2 There are wide range of glycol ethers which have bifunctional nature of ether and alcohol. cellosolves are monoether derivatives of ethylene glycol. They are excellent solvents, having solvent properties of both ethers and alcohols. Glycol family products are versatile compounds used in the fields include; • Anti-freezing and anti-icing additive • Intermediate in polymer production and chemical reaction • Solvent or plasticizer for plastic, lacquer, paint and varnish • Hydraulic, brake, thermal exchange fluids and fuel additive • Humidifying and plasticizing • Dehydrating • Coupling printing inks • Textile conditioning • Solvent for dyes in textile and leather finishing • Agricultural formulation • General purpose cleaners • Explosives manufacture • Electrolytic component • Humectant • Water-based coating • Preservative, rust remover, and disinfectant Another common product https://www.dow.com/assets/attachme...utyl_cellosolve/tds/butyl_cellosolve.pdfBut they do not attack Copper, they clean carbon and plastic residue. Still all around it, but no cigar as to what actually attacks the copper.
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Actually have a chub of salami in the fridge with no "added" nitrates or nitrites right now. Then it's no good for rifle cleaning. Has a nice thick course black pepper coating on it. It would probably do a decent job of scrubbing fouling out. And it's about the proper dimension for running down a 20mm cannon bore. Unfortunately, I don't have one of those to try it on, so I guess I continue eating it for my afternoon snack. Geno Shouldn't this post be in the mennonite deer bologna pick-up thread?
...Actually Sycamore, you are sort of right....
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😁 Bingo. Combining Ammonia hydroxide with a salt solution such as M pyrol and Sodium Nitrate increases the oxidation effects or corrosion on copper resulting in either a green or blue to black. Common copper patinas of green, blue or black can be made using a solution of vinegar, salt and ammonia hydroxide.
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