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Any reason to pick one over the other for hunting out to 200yds or so? Pick the one that shoots best or is there any real world difference in performance that you find?
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I've only shot the 62 gr via 223AI. Shot some pigs and 2 deer,plus its pretty good for saving fur . I've shot bobcats and coyotes all bang flop with small exits,when I got them.
I really like the 62 gr.
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For 200 and in I’d go 53gr. I’ve shot copious amounts of pigs with the 53 out of 223 and 222mag and haven’t had one stay inside even 250+ pounders shot through the shoulders. Speed kills
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For 200 and in I’d go 53gr. I’ve shot copious amounts of pigs with the 53 out of 223 and 222mag and haven’t had one stay inside even 250+ pounders shot through the shoulders. Speed kills I guess I'll see which ones shoot best. Planning on my youngest to use on caribou, which I don't think are very tough animals. Every one I've seen shot just gave up on the spot.
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I had a few boxes of 70 gr TXS bullets. Sold them before I built a .22-250 fast twist. Don’t think they’ll move fast enough out of a .223.
Could be interesting with an 8 twist .22-250.
Would still tend to go lighter and faster with monos, even in a faster round.
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For 200 and in I’d go 53gr. I’ve shot copious amounts of pigs with the 53 out of 223 and 222mag and haven’t had one stay inside even 250+ pounders shot through the shoulders. Speed kills I'd lean this way, too. I can't see the advantage of the John C. Holmes bullet inside 200 yards. Still, on my sample of 1 with a 55 grain TTSX in a .223,, I caught it on a neck shot at 25 yards with a 100-ish lb. boar. ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/P4knJ6x.jpg) The other thing would be having a sufficient twist rate for the 62 and 70. Whichever way you end up going, though, I'm sure there'll be dead stuff at the end of that rainbow. FC
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For 200 and in I’d go 53gr. I’ve shot copious amounts of pigs with the 53 out of 223 and 222mag and haven’t had one stay inside even 250+ pounders shot through the shoulders. Speed kills I'd lean this way, too. I can't see the advantage of the John C. Holmes bullet inside 200 yards. Still, on my sample of 1 with a 55 grain TTSX in a .223,, I caught it on a neck shot at 25 yards with a 100-ish lb. boar. The other thing would be having a sufficient twist rate for the 62 and 70. Whichever way you end up going, though, I'm sure there'll be dead stuff at the end of that rainbow. FC I didn't know they made the XS7 in 223. I have two of them a 22-250 and a 308. The 22-250 has a 1-14 twist Adams & Bennet barrel on it that is a tackdriver with bullets up to 60 grains and it has accounted for a couple of deer but no hogs yet.
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I like the 62. I have killed hundreds of pigs with them. The 62 will punch through a 200 lb pig with ease.
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Consider the Speer BONDED:
55G
62G
75G
no down side, they are very, very accurate bullets!
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Consider the Speer BONDED:
55G
62G
75G
no down side, they are very, very accurate bullets! Will the 75 grain bullet stabilize in a 1-9 twist barrel?
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I have shot both the 62 and 70 TSXs in .223 and cant tell much difference in performance on game. With that said, I lean towards the 62 for more speed but if my gun shoots the 70 better, that's ok. Both work fine on deer and hogs.
My last few FL bucks have been taken with both from ARs. One was a 125", quartering to me at 90 yards. Bullet entered the front shoulder then exited the off side ribs. The buck ran about 125 yards with one blood speck. (The bucks fat clogged the hole, which I have seen on hogs as well) Not impressive but it worked. The other bucks all either dropped or ran 30 yards max. Some were lung shot and others were hit square in the shoulder.
Out of a 22-250, they are better, as the speed helps.
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Any reason to pick one over the other for hunting out to 200yds or so? Pick the one that shoots best or is there any real world difference in performance that you find? You do not need the extra weight for any reason on medium game with these bullets. Go with 62 unless, like others said, you go even lighter...55s will kill anything in the lower 48...and speed is your friend with Barnes.
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Consider the Speer BONDED:
55G
62G
75G
no down side, they are very, very accurate bullets! Will the 75 grain bullet stabilize in a 1-9 twist barrel? Length is the critical factor. Probably have to try it and see The 62 Fed Fusion and the 62 Speer Gold Dot are reportedly the same bullet, both bonded in that the jacket is copper plated on the lead core. I picked up a thousand 62 Fed Fusion Bullets from Rocky Mtn Reloaders. Those are said to have terminal performance as good as the Nosler 64 BSB and a lot more accurate. That is my experience. I’ve used Varget with good results, have heard Benchmark is good, CFE-223 is often recommended. Just loaded a batch with Pwr Pro 2000, made at St. Marks in FL like CFE-223. Some claim they’re the same the powder. Reportedly St. Marks says different formulation. Is the copper reducing feature the difference? Loads and performance are pretty close and they look alike. DF
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Those Gold Dots look interesting too. I don't reload so I'm at the mercy of what's on the shelf locally as it's near impossible to ship ammo up here. Those 75gr gold dots are available near by and I might see how they shoot out of the AR.
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The 70gr TSX will be superior for hunting due to the weight, which will equate to more penetration. I have used both on 100's of deer and hogs and by far the 70gr is superior. All my rifles are sighted in with the brown tipped/optimized.
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The 70gr TSX will be superior for hunting due to the weight, which will equate to more penetration. I have used both on 100's of deer and hogs and by far the 70gr is superior. All my rifles are sighted in with the brown tipped/optimized.
I've yet to catch any TSX or TTSX in any critter that I've killed with them.... they all over penetrate!
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If I ever found the reason to find the 62 lacking in any way, I doubt the 70 is going to run circles around it unless flung faster in a bigger case, but I'd suspect the results to be the same.
I've fielded the 70 in bigger hulled guns that spun it, but never shot anything with it.
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I'd go light as I could in the .223. I used the old 50gr XLC from a CZ 527 .221 Fireball on an 80 pound shoat. It left a 50 cal hole exit, wrecked everything in its way (tight behind right shoulder, exited front of left shoulder, dropped and squealed 10 sec or so. I have killed some exotics and mule deer with the .220 Swift and 55gr Trophy Bonded and the 75 Swift in a 224 TTH. Now, if I wanted to use a .223 (my Bushmaster Predator has an 8" twist) I'd use the 62 in my rifle or the 53 in a slower twist. "I" would keep my range under 150 if at all possible, and closer is better! ha
I do think faster twist (rate of rpm on bullets) assists in killing, especially with a mono. But, with the lighter 50 ish monos, standard twists do just fine. when I was young boy/teen in East Tx, the .22 Hornet and .222 were used by "a lot" of older guys. But those deer run on the small size and 'everyone" tried to head or neck shoot. Not because they knew they were shooting varmint bullets, but they were meat hungry, Depression survivors, ha.
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The 62 TSX is the best blend of mass to BC ratio,as Mono's go.
The 70 is a fhuqking turd and an easy pass.................
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I'd go light as I could in the .223. I used the old 50gr XLC from a CZ 527 .221 Fireball on an 80 pound shoat. It left a 50 cal hole exit, wrecked everything in its way (tight behind right shoulder, exited front of left shoulder, dropped and squealed 10 sec or so. I have killed some exotics and mule deer with the .220 Swift and 55gr Trophy Bonded and the 75 Swift in a 224 TTH. Now, if I wanted to use a .223 (my Bushmaster Predator has an 8" twist) I'd use the 62 in my rifle or the 53 in a slower twist. "I" would keep my range under 150 if at all possible, and closer is better! ha
I do think faster twist (rate of rpm on bullets) assists in killing, especially with a mono. But, with the lighter 50 ish monos, standard twists do just fine. when I was young boy/teen in East Tx, the .22 Hornet and .222 were used by "a lot" of older guys. But those deer run on the small size and 'everyone" tried to head or neck shoot. Not because they knew they were shooting varmint bullets, but they were meat hungry, Depression survivors, ha. Rotational Velocity,is Terminal Affects' friend. The 75 Swift cain't hang with the 62 TSX. Hint..................
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