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In my experience, one of the best bullets for the whelan is the discontinued nosler 225gr ballistic tip. I wish they still made it.
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Some good points. MV from my Tikka T3 Lite in 9.3 x 62 motivates the 250 AccuBond at +2700 fps from a good dose of RL-17, WLRM primers, Hornady brass @ 3.37" COL. At 500 yds it's still making over 1900 fps. I've not tested it for expansion yet, except in one 6' black bear at 85 yards where it left a blood trail for 20 yards to a very dead bear, that looked like it came from the nozzle of a water hose! With a (claimed) BC of .493 I'd surely take it on a moose hunt to the north of our province and take a poke at a bull at up to 500 yards (my limit). Even if it expanded little, with over 2000 ft-lbs KE nothing good would happen to the moose if hit where aimed. I'd believe that until proven otherwise. Still, I agree, a good lighter bullet like the GS 195gr might be preferable in some scenarios. But the 250 AB at +2700 fps and 286 NP at over 2600 fps are both more than I'll ever need. Bob www.bigbores.caBob, I may have missed it somewhere, but what’s the barrel length on your tikka? I just received a benchmark 9.3 in a tikka t3 contour for a long contemplated build and I’m trying to decide on barrel length. Appreciate it. 570 mm or 22.44" - it's a Sako match grade and extremely accurate (more than I am!). Bob www.bigbores.ca
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Some good points. MV from my Tikka T3 Lite in 9.3 x 62 motivates the 250 AccuBond at +2700 fps from a good dose of RL-17, WLRM primers, Hornady brass @ 3.37" COL. At 500 yds it's still making over 1900 fps. I've not tested it for expansion yet, except in one 6' black bear at 85 yards where it left a blood trail for 20 yards to a very dead bear, that looked like it came from the nozzle of a water hose! With a (claimed) BC of .493 I'd surely take it on a moose hunt to the north of our province and take a poke at a bull at up to 500 yards (my limit). Even if it expanded little, with over 2000 ft-lbs KE nothing good would happen to the moose if hit where aimed. I'd believe that until proven otherwise. Still, I agree, a good lighter bullet like the GS 195gr might be preferable in some scenarios. But the 250 AB at +2700 fps and 286 NP at over 2600 fps are both more than I'll ever need. Bob www.bigbores.caBob, I may have missed it somewhere, but what’s the barrel length on your tikka? I just received a benchmark 9.3 in a tikka t3 contour for a long contemplated build and I’m trying to decide on barrel length. Appreciate it. 21-22"... You'll love it AK. Mines a 22" and getting 2750 from the 250 Accubonds is a breeze and man, it is handier than heck!
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Trystan: when I cut a 22" Whelen down to 20", I lost a consistent 60-70 fps with most 200-225gr loads, maybe a little less with 250gr loads. Not a huge amount of velocity loss but more than what the internet says it should have been, given the expansion ration of the cartridge. Also, blast definitely increased.
Most of my 250 loads run about 2525 fps from the 20" whelens, using everything from IMR4895 to RL-15 to MR-2000. MR-2000 will get you much closer to 2600 fps, but I got nervous and backed it down.
2675 fps seems to be the accuracy node for most 225grain bullets for both my 20" guns, but you could get a little more, I'm sure. Most factory 200gr ammo runs 2700-2750 from a 20" barrel, I haven't bothered to work up loads with that bullet weight because the factory ammo is so good in that weight and readily available.
Would like to hear how the .358 Hammer bullets do.
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Trystan: when I cut a 22" Whelen down to 20", I lost a consistent 60-70 fps with most 200-225gr loads, maybe a little less with 250gr loads. Not a huge amount of velocity loss but more than what the internet says it should have been, given the expansion ration of the cartridge. Also, blast definitely increased.
Most of my 250 loads run about 2525 fps from the 20" whelens, using everything from IMR4895 to RL-15 to MR-2000. MR-2000 will get you much closer to 2600 fps, but I got nervous and backed it down.
2675 fps seems to be the accuracy node for most 225grain bullets for both my 20" guns, but you could get a little more, I'm sure. Most factory 200gr ammo runs 2700-2750 from a 20" barrel, I haven't bothered to work up loads with that bullet weight because the factory ammo is so good in that weight and readily available.
Would like to hear how the .358 Hammer bullets do.
Good to know thank you for the heads up
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570 mm or 22.44" - it's a Sako match grade and extremely accurate (more than I am!). Bob www.bigbores.caThank you. I’m leaning 22 as I expect balance will be better. And for all it’s handiness, less than 22 just looks a little odd in my intended stock.
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Trystan: when I cut a 22" Whelen down to 20", I lost a consistent 60-70 fps with most 200-225gr loads, maybe a little less with 250gr loads. Not a huge amount of velocity loss but more than what the internet says it should have been, given the expansion ration of the cartridge. Also, blast definitely increased.
Most of my 250 loads run about 2525 fps from the 20" whelens, using everything from IMR4895 to RL-15 to MR-2000. MR-2000 will get you much closer to 2600 fps, but I got nervous and backed it down.
2675 fps seems to be the accuracy node for most 225grain bullets for both my 20" guns, but you could get a little more, I'm sure. Most factory 200gr ammo runs 2700-2750 from a 20" barrel, I haven't bothered to work up loads with that bullet weight because the factory ammo is so good in that weight and readily available.
Would like to hear how the .358 Hammer bullets do.
Give JWP475 a PM. He’s been pounding deer with the 220 Hammers out of his Whelen.
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Had a 35 but sold it off. I'd like to get into it again but it's difficult to justify when I've got an 338RCM, 338 win mag, 348 win, 348 Ackley, and a 375 ruger Alaskan. Tough call as those basically all do the same thing with similar weights.
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I may go “old school” elk hunting this year with my M700 .35 Whelen 22” 1:16 with either Federal 225 gr TBBC or 225 Partition or Accubond hand loads. I’ve got a new Timney trigger to install, but nothing really wrong with the original. Accurate rifle….
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Thanks I'm looking forward to getting it done. I've been wanting to try those hammer bullets! My younger brother is a big fan of them. He's shot several elk with them in his 338 win mag, I can't remember what grain he used. The hammer bullet is becoming his favorite go to. He gets some impressive accuracy in his 338 lapua with hammer bullets as well. Man, I'll tell ya, they are easy to get shooting and easy to get ahold of and are priced pretty well. I am liking them more and more these days. Don’t you run Barnes (200 or 225) out of your Whelen with good success on everything? Barnes in .358 are hard to come by lately and if Hammer is keeping their bullets in stock it would be a good option.
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Getting my 35 Whelen loads pressure tested, I'll post results.
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Thanks I'm looking forward to getting it done. I've been wanting to try those hammer bullets! My younger brother is a big fan of them. He's shot several elk with them in his 338 win mag, I can't remember what grain he used. The hammer bullet is becoming his favorite go to. He gets some impressive accuracy in his 338 lapua with hammer bullets as well. Man, I'll tell ya, they are easy to get shooting and easy to get ahold of and are priced pretty well. I am liking them more and more these days. Don’t you run Barnes (200 or 225) out of your Whelen with good success on everything? Barnes in .358 are hard to come by lately and if Hammer is keeping their bullets in stock it would be a good option. 200 TTSX and 220 Hammers. Both great options.
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Jwp475 bumped me with his load and pics of a victim from said load. Damn! I’m sitting on a good amount of C&C bullets but will definitely add those to my wishlist
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Pressure Test of my 35 Whelen loads ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/CMnYq85z/35-Whelen-Pressure-Data-X3.jpg) I just noticed a typo error on the pressure chart, the 250 grain Hornady was loaded with CFE223 not Power Pro Varmint
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So I changed factory loads from 200 gr remington corelokts to a batch of 250 gr I found. The 200s shot great. I recently chopped the barrel to 21 inch and tried the 250s. They're not grouping very well at 100. They're OK but not happy with them. So I'm kinda back to the drawing board myself
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It's a rem 700 cdl fyi with factory loads
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I just noticed a typo error on the pressure chart, the 250 grain Hornady was loaded with CFE223 not Power Pro Varmint
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Good info JWP. Those 220 Hammers are moving and at a safe pressure.
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JWP, Could you give us the COL of those loads, please? And thanks for doing those tests. That's important for handloads as most .35 Whelens have very long throats, and a .30-06 length action allows over 3.4" COL. A single shot, which I have, allows at least a COL of 3.5" for the 225 -X and nearly the same for the 250gr Partition. The 225 TSX is likely the same length as the 225 X, or close. The 250gr Hornady SP has a 3.48 COL seated 1/4" into the case. Obviously I can load more powder safely - likely RL-17, or one of the new ball powders. I've only owned the rifle for a couple of weeks and now waiting for a a Weaver type single base so I can mount a scope. It has a stainless 22" barrel with a muzzle brake, and I'll be loading some ammo in readiness for mounting the scope. This is my 3rd .35 Whelen. Bob www.bigbores.ca
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I used to shoot Federal Premium 225 gr Bear Claws and they were both accurate and deadly. If I was reloading them I would have to take a hard look at the hammers. They are devastating.
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