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Didn't know the background on that and the info is appreciated. I backed into the world of paper patch on a lark and shortly thereafter was thoroughly hooked. It is quite remarkable what ol' Lord Black and a piece of lead can do, accuracy wise. In younger years I was one of the "BP can't possibly be accurate" crowd but have since gotten over that myth. Fact of it is I've found that paper patch can even help smokeless guns shoot a fair bit better than factory jacketed loads. And it will flat out put the splat on critters.

Some of my experiences and I'll let the pics do the talking:







Bullet on top is a Lyman 457125 that casts at about 530 grains with 30:1



Tossed 5 out of it a couple months back using some Swiss 1.5 FG and an old school tang sight.

Last one that makes me giggle a bit...

Did this out in Cody a few years back with a .40 cal slug gun that uses grease groove bullets, mould by Dave Mos and a dash of Swiss. 200 yards in a full value L-R breeze of 15G25. Those Wyoming breezes can be quite educational.

I had always heard that the throw-down rifle had an aluminum barrel to make it easier to swing around and toss. Don't know if that is true, but it is a persistent rumor.

The NRA was raffling off one of the rifles and quite a few people were interested in it, until they realized that it was valued in the 6-figure range and the IRS would be expecting taxes on that value. I don't know if it ever sold in the end.

The Quigley, not a Quigley

Dan the .442" TGBS bullets I cast patch to .449" with 9 lb onionskin I use them in my 45-70's for the most part .In my 45-110 which has an original style chamber I use a .440" TGBS KAL mold set at 1.465" and it patches to .4495" with Bienfang vellum paper. It's heavy and tough which works for me when pushed with 100-108 grs in my 2 7/8". It is also accurate enough at 1 mile to get on the mile target. MB

Thanks for that. I assume you're patching to something slightly over bore diameter. 2 wraps, maybe 3?

2 wraps Dan, all my loads use lube wads early in the summer you can manage the fouling with a blow tube as the season progresses and humidity drops I wipe after every shot. I like shooting original style loads and mine can be used at gong shoots or on meat. .450" bore and .458" groove diameter MB

Thanks, interesting info.

Only place down here a fella can see a mile is on the interstate in some places, or offshore.

Don't know how you can tolerate that, but to each his own. Thing is the patched bullets have to be under bore dia. as they are only seated 1/8" into the case.The bullet is in the rifling waiting for the explosion to bump them up. MB

This rifle using the .446 diameter money bullet from a BACO mould wrapped in Seth Cole 55 w (2 wraps) with a thin Napa rubber cork gasket wad punched with a Cornell press mounted wad punch, on top of 105 grains of OE 1f. and a muzzleloader original dry lubed felt wad, bullet seated about 3/8 inch into Norma case. Wiped between shots


Fired this group at 1000 yards from prone off cross ticks. That white bull is 22 inches in diameter.

Are these 550 grainers Hindenburgish enough ?



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Bob, it's a thankless task but somebody has to do it.

Ranch, that be a fancy stick your totin' around and it seems to shoot pretty fair. Thanks.

Woody, I gotta say yes. Or you might think I'm disturbed.

Dan that Borchardt is so sweet..
Thinking about another one, in less of a powder consumptive cartridge.

Ranch, where do you get those beauties?

Thanks for the clarification. I read somewhere that the "abuse" rifle had an aluminum barrel to make it easier to toss. Clearly they were all built by Shiloh.

Can you confirm?

Paul

Dan if which beautie's?
The rifle was one I got 3rd hand but basically unfired, that was built up by Rich McKinney off of a military action. They do pop up occasionally on the typical online places. Matter of fact there was one that just sold on Gunbroker that was a 45-70,, the price was low enough I was really tempted to get it and have a 44 barrel spun on to it and chambered for 44-70 st.
The rounds I build off of Norma, or Jamison brass, and some of the old stretched and formed 348 brass that BACO sold. The bullets I cast from the BACO .446 535 Money bullet mould using 16-1.

I just called Kirk at Shiloh to confirm that there were 3 rifles made for the movie. Just as I said previously, there were 3 rifles made, one as the star of the show, 1 that got abused and the 3rd for close up pictures and as a spare if it was needed.

There were no aluminum barrels or rifles with aluminum barrels, just the 3 rifles that I described...

Help me Lord, I may have to buy another safe.

Some folks go gaga on the Quigley model rifle, still don't really know why. One year at the Quigley a guy pulls up next to where we were camped and asks if he can, we told him sure go ahead. He came by later after setting up his new tent and wanted to shoot the sh*t. Said he didn't know if he would shoot in the shoot as he had a new rifle and had never loaded bp rd 1.Come to find out that he bought a used Quiigly 45-110 from the Cabelas Gun Library up in Seattle or some damn place. Paid a lot of cash for a gun with someone else's gold plated initials in it. He had stopped at BACO on the way to Montana and they sold him half the store. Sold him some ready to go greaser loads too but after looking at my ppb loads he got a glazed look in his eye and looked unstable. He had some Swiss 1.5 and vag wads, plus primers, I intro'ed him to a vender that had some .442" TGBS bullets to sell and some patches, get the long story short we made him and his gun a successful shooter. Now them Quig models got a hard steel curved butt. After 75 rds the poor guy was black and blue and green on his whole right side even after him putting a kickease slip on pad over it. He managed to get 5/8 on the buffalo at 805 yds so he was still a happy camper. Next year he didn't make it out and on the year after that he did with a new Montana Roughrider chambered for 45-2.4" with a shotgun butt did better without the beating. I don't think a guy can have to many Shilohs but them ones with the rifle butt look better in the gunsafe than on the firing line. just my 2 cents on that. MB

The 110 will certainly beat you up if you don't pace yourself even with the shotgun butt.. found that out the hard way several yrs ago.