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Originally Posted by mainer_in_ak
It never fails to surprise me, how much hypothetical thinking out loud occurs on this forum, or any forum at that.

Anyhoo, the versatility of the handy 357 with fmj's over a smidgen of unique, I rarely pick up ah shotgun anymore! Don't even own ah rimfire.

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Recently acquired a couple 357 revolver and this is how I envision a use for them. The unique or bullseye powder would be super on those small critters. I don't know about giving up the rimfire because I enjoy them a lot but I can fully understand a 357 from an handgun being superior to any 22lr as a meat getter.

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Originally Posted by Fireball2
You must just plop down and sit on them big ol' nuts a yours and wait for a bear to wander by! Holy smokes.

My luck I'd have a 357 rifle in my hand when a 500 pound chopping block head bear came down the trail I was parked on! No thanks!

I think the question is not "Will the 357 kill a bear? We all know it will.

The question is, "Will it kill the bear before he does a Timothy Treadwell on your ass?"


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Originally Posted by mainer_in_ak
With swift A-Frames, I would use a 357 mag any day of the week for deer n bear combo within 125 yds.

Fk hardcast in the 357 mag, doesn't have enough diameter for quick kills.

This is what a 180 A-frame looks like after a finishing shot square through the entire neck of a large bull moose, found against off side of hide. For those of you in the know, that is one of the toughest pieces of meat around Alaska.

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Nice. What velocity is the 180 running out of the 4.2" 101?

I'm wondering how that bullet would perform at .357 Maximum speeds out of an 18"..oops...21" carbine barrel.

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Exactly 1200 fps with book max of 15 grains lilgun. The little pistol weighs 28 ounces, which is a heck of alot lighter than my 22 lr/22mag, single six convertible at over 40 ounces:

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I sold that bulky, heavy six shooter. sp 101 here on out........





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Yeah, I like the SP101. Enough barrel to work well with real .357's, enough weight to be shootable, and still slim and light compared to a 6 shooter.

I'll order some of the 180 aframes and give them a run in the .357 Max carbine. If they don't handle the speed there they'll work great for the SP101 or in the 77/357 as Mag's.

Thanks!

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Trying to find the article Brian Peirce wrote on 357 and 44 magnum in a rifle or carbine, published in Rifle or Handloader. If you can find it I believe it would give the info you are looking for.
At the risk of misquoting him, I believe his thoughts were at out to 100 or 150 yards with proper bullets the 357 seemed to hit like a 30-30.
Does anyone remember that article? Could be 10 or 15 years ago.


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With the right ammo a 357 mag carbine is IDEAL for black bear over bait a med/close range. I have taken several bears with my Rossi 92 16 inch bbl.. I use Underwood 180 Hard Cast GC flat points. Underwood advertises 1400 fps from a 6 inch revolver. I average 1850 from the 16 inch Rossi. Not a lot of hydrostatic shock to the internals (lungs/heart) but I have never had a bullet fail to completely penetrate AND exit on all broadside shots. Including shattering the near side shoulder and exiting the far side ribs of a 270+ pounder. I topped mine with a Sig Romeo5 red dot and it'll take out 6 inch steel plates all day long at 100 yards and 1 inch groups at 50. If you keep your Bear targets at 50 yards or less I would not hesitate to take a shot at any size Black Bear just as long as you are able to punch a hole through both lungs. As with anything else, shot placement is everything.

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I like the heavier 180 HC hot factory loads, especially in a carbine. If you think about it, Davy Crockett killed bookoo black bear with a patched round ball .36 cal black powder from long rifle, ha. I may be wrong, but I don't think it was over .40 caliber. I bet he would have "loved" having your rifle/ammo! Have a Ball pard!

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Would have no qualms about slammin' these, out of a carbine, into a bear.





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Without reading all the other replies, check out the Buffalo Bore .357 load.


https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=396







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