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I see Barnes Bullets has 190 gr FNSP 30-30 lead core bullets on their website, http://www.barnesbullets.com/bullets/originals/ . Anyone tried these? Seems like it might be a good fit for 303 Savage (and 30-30 too).

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I like that, I'm gonna have to try those , thanks for the link

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Bought a box a couple weeks ago; have not had tried them yet. Midway has a few in stock.

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Bought a box a couple weeks ago; have not had tried them yet. Midway has a few in stock. Just an FYI, Barnes also makes a Barnes original 255 gr for the 375 Win.

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Looks like the best thing I’ve seen for replacting the factory original round.


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Even I, being the cast bullet nut that I am, plan to try them, if for no other reason than to show support for Barnes in doing this.


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Haven't yet purchased any but have e-mailed them twice asking for load data-once last week and once this week. I have all 4 volumes of their manuals and its not even hinted at in them. Neither is it on their updated load info page on-line but they do say they are working on manual V.

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I would use .30-30 170 grain data minus a couple grains powder, or data for .303 out of an older Lyman manual, and start a couple grains low and work up. I would also use a chronograph and stop when I got to 1900fps out of a 20" carbine or 2000fps out of a 24" rifle. No point in pushing it hotter than the old factory ammo was.


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Originally Posted by loggerhead
Haven't yet purchased any but have e-mailed them twice asking for load data-once last week and once this week. I have all 4 volumes of their manuals and its not even hinted at in them. Neither is it on their updated load info page on-line but they do say they are working on manual V.


On Feb 19th Barnes responded to my email for load data and said they are working on shooting new data for this bullet.

I did get hold of a page from Lyman #45 that has 30-30 load data for a 190 grain jacketed bullet that would be a place to start.

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That's cool. Though that cannelure looks too far forward.


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That's cool. Though that cannelure looks too far forward.


It does

But, the only way to make a bullet heavier for caliber is to make it longer and the extra length only has one place to go.

In the case...


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I'd be willing to bet that bullet is a sledgehammer even at modest 303/30-30 velocities.

I wouldn't volunteer to stop one...


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Ooooh ooooh, pick me pick me!!

Cannelures matter only if you crimp your handloads. May be needed for M94's and 336's, maybe not. Certainly not needed for use in a 99. If a cannelure lays way outside (or way inside) a case neck it machs nix to me.


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Not to get way off topic here but the 190 grain bullet in the 303 was really the way the 303 survived for 25 years after the 30-30 was introduced because it was the only way it could separate itself from the 30-30. Hell you could even buy a 30-30 99, why would anybody buy a 303 when no other gun maker other than Savage chambered it? It was thought by many sportsman of the time the 303 190 grain was able to penetrate better than the 170 grain bullet fired from the 30-30. There may have even been a shred of truth in that because of the increased sectional density of the longer bullet. Although in practicality it probably only really separated itself from the 30-30 in that regard if the rifleman was shooting at elk, moose or the biggest North American bears. If the 303 had only been loaded with a 170 grain bullet it would have died very young.

Anyway, the 303 hung on another 20 years after the 300 Savage was introduced in 1920, but the 300 essentially put the 303 on life support shooting a 180 grain bullet another 400 ft +/- per second than the 303 190 grain bullet. Ironic because when Savage introduced the 300 they essentially cannibalized the 303. If you were going to buy a brand spanking new 99 in 1925 and you only have the money to own one rifle, you going to buy a 300 or 303?


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I think that pretty well sums it up.

Own one rifle in 1927? Me I would've opted for the .303. Even today I would opt for the .30-30 (or .303, same difference) in a high end single shot, thank you very much. But, gasp, I'm not your average bear! Another gasp, I've never been a huge huge fan of the .300- I would never denigrate it for it's proven its worth millions of times over, it just doesn't hold much magic in my eyes. I own one and that's probably it for me in the .300 department.

I've been preaching about 190 grain flat nosed bullets in .30-30's for darn near 40 years since I acquired my first bullet mould in that configuration. The .303 was merely in my periphery back then and I really couldn't have cared less about it and its platforms. I did see the value of that configuration of bullet moving at 2000fps though, and that as much as anything brought me into the fold.

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Originally Posted by 99guy
I'd be willing to bet that bullet is a sledgehammer even at modest 303/30-30 velocities.

I wouldn't volunteer to stop one...

Took the 1926 F to the range with Gary and John. Had the new mount from Mike on it and an old K4. Was sighting in with 150 grain from Graffs. Got the windage on, but it was still shooting several inches high at 100, with the scope all the way down. Broke out the box of Remington 180's I got with you a year or two back. They dropped right down in the bull. John picked up a box of Winchester Silver tip 190's at a show for $5. That's what will be stuffed in the F opening day come November. The 303 is the only one I need to complete my slam.


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Unless I talk you into shooting away all your bullets between now and then!


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Bottom line, shoot whatever works. If it's 150's, so be it. If it's heavy's, so be it. They'll all kill stuff dead as dead can be.

Funny how we loonies tend to adopt such things as bullets and rifles as talismans. We really are but two steps removed from our days of running barefoot through the jungles dodging saber toothed tigers. (Except Joe. He still does that sometimes.)

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Funny too how we tend to overthink this stuff. But that's what separates us gun nuts from the hoi poloi gun owners.


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