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#13604645 - 02/26/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]  
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This is a strange cartridge....................First,and foremost is that most folks think that it is a 223 necked up to ,357.This is not the case at all...................The case head is larger in the 350 L at .390 as compared to the 223 at .376.............so there goes the idea of cheap brass..................I just don't get it........maybe y'all do,but I don't

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#13608140 - 02/27/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: Oskerspap12]  
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Originally Posted by Oskerspap12
This is a strange cartridge....................First,and foremost is that most folks think that it is a 223 necked up to ,357.This is not the case at all...................The case head is larger in the 350 L at .390 as compared to the 223 at .376.............so there goes the idea of cheap brass..................I just don't get it........maybe y'all do,but I don't

When we *thought* it was .223 necked up, it made sense.
You are right, since it isn't, it don't.

Winchester screwed the pooch on this one!


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#13608178 - 02/27/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: Oskerspap12]  
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Originally Posted by Oskerspap12
This is a strange cartridge....................First,and foremost is that most folks think that it is a 223 necked up to ,357.This is not the case at all...................The case head is larger in the 350 L at .390 as compared to the 223 at .376.............so there goes the idea of cheap brass..................I just don't get it........maybe y'all do,but I don't


The Saami drawing says .378 case head.

https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/350-Legend-Public-Introduction.pdf


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#13633676 - 03/07/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: noKnees]  
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Originally Posted by noKnees
Originally Posted by Oskerspap12
This is a strange cartridge....................First,and foremost is that most folks think that it is a 223 necked up to ,357.This is not the case at all...................The case head is larger in the 350 L at .390 as compared to the 223 at .376.............so there goes the idea of cheap brass..................I just don't get it........maybe y'all do,but I don't


The Saami drawing says .378 case head.

https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/350-Legend-Public-Introduction.pdf


It does indeed, along with a 0.357 bullet diameter but a 0.355 groove diameter...

Wow, seems like there is so much misinformation floating around about this round and much of it coming from Winchester.

I'll reserve judgement to when actual production rifles and ammo are available as it seems the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing...


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#13641556 - 03/09/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]  
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Indiana...............we can trim .35 rem to meet the state's PCR spec.
No straight wall case mandate.

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#13641941 - 03/10/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]  
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If your living and or hunting in a straight wall only state where shots are generally under 150 yards you have likely spent your whole hunting life hoping some day you might get to hunt with a lighter weight bolt centerfire rifle that wont kick too much and that dont cost $45 a box or more for 20 rounds. You can split hairs all you want about this but this is a Good thing for those folks. No question about it.

If this gets offered in a few different affordable bolt action rifles you will see a bunch of 45/70’s hit the market as well as a bunch of folks making the move from their slugguns to this.

I currently hunt with a .444 in Ohio. I live in Florida but hunt up there every for 30 years every year. I also have a lease in Alabama and just gave one up in Florida. So I hunt in rifle states as well. As soon as I see a few more choices in rifles I will be seriously be considering getting one.

If you dont live in one of those states then it would likely be a little interest to you. Winchester didnt have your needs in mind. Plenty better calibers for you.


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#13642012 - 03/10/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]  
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I live in Ohio and have several legal rifles to choose from. That's not going to stop me from rebarreled a CZ or Sako mini action into one of these. While I need it like a need another arm, what's a loony going to do?


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#13655799 - 03/14/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]  
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Why aren’t you guys running lever action 357 mags with flexi-tip bullets?


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#13655992 - 03/14/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: David_Walter]  
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I’m certain some folks are. I currently have and use a Marlin ‘94 in 44 mag; it’s a very nice handy, carry rifle. As to those bullets you mention, I assume you mean the Hornady FTX’s. Actually, running them through Horn’s ballistic program for the 44, 225-gr load, a nominal 1800 fps (rifle velocity), and their BC, it really adds nothing really useful in regards to a flatter trajectory and thus extended range in the 44 compared to a more typical 240-gr soft point, and I would assume that’s true for the 357 also.

#13665075 - 03/17/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]  
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I use my 45-70 guide gun. Same for my buddy. My son will never know the abuse of shooting slugs. He somehow adopted my 1894 in 44....even after I bought im a 16in Henry in 44. I like the 45-70. 450Bm has never appealed to me. I don't foresee switching but with 2 more kids to go I have to imagine the recoil of the 350L in an AR with a suppressor would make for a pleasant hunting experience for them.

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#13683267 - 03/23/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]  
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#13696693 - 03/28/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]  
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I’m gonna buy ten of them and never fire them.


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#13698225 - 03/29/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]  
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"And yet you can hunt coyotes at midnight shooting a 338 Lapua"

The southern tiers counties in western NY, were like that for many years. Most counties along the PA border were restricted to slug guns or inlines for deer, Then they finally approved center fire rifles for deer, several years ago..

All that time when center fire rifles were banned for their firearms deer seasons, a farmer could use any rifle they wanted to use for killing deer for crop damages, including ARs. Same for shooting woodchucks or 'yotes. Never made a damn bit of sense to me, as those counties on the NY side of the border, are just as rural and thinly populated, as those on the PA side.

I need another deer rifle about as much as I could use a few more achy joints, but I might go for a single shot in 350? Had an NEF heavy barrel in 223 for years, kinda miss it as it was a handy little sob to tote around and shoot 'chucks with and damn accurate with my loads.


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#13723783 - 04/08/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]  
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Like .35 rem just fine on deer.
Have rifle and pistol.

.350 legend?

I'm interested.
Might be a dandy deer round.


Proly build an AR in it.
Be a lil thumper for HD too.

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#13723792 - 04/08/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]  
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I don't need another deer rifle.
But I want about a half dozen more.
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#13723830 - 04/08/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: hookeye]  
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I wanna say how the heck do you guys deal with those cartridge restrictions but I live in Oregon so our day is coming. Maybe not cartridge restrictions but some kind of BS or another. Absolutely sucks to not be able to hunt bottleneck cartridges or be limited to 1.8". Man, that really sucks.


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#13723913 - 04/08/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]  
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.35 rem trimmed to 1.8 is easy and works well.
(IN we can run bottlenecks in PCR).

Public land requires PCR.
Private land you can run reg HP rifle .24 cal and up, 1.16 to 3" case length.

So used regular ol .35 rem unmodified last yr.

No suck.

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#13723933 - 04/08/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]  
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Checked Win site ............350 FAQ

Says Indiana PCR is straight wall case LOL

No it isn't.

Before the HP rifle allowance (when only rifles allowed were PCR)............quite a few folks did wildcats off WSSM..
Even when our max case length was 1.625.

Then they upped it to 1.8 and folks spending the $ could have 300 yard capable PCRs.
Dunno if that then got folks to say "why not reg HP rifle?"

We got that under some "test period" a couple yrs back. Expect it to stay around.

Yeah, kinda drawn out and a little messy.............but we have PCR's for public land with no straight wall case req.
And we have reg HP rifles for private land.
Pretty nice IMHO.

Hell I've killed deer here w shotguns and MZ, even handguns...........out to 150 yards or a little longer.
My farthest PCR or HP rifle kill here has been 75 yards LOL.

What the rifle allowances have done for me............, is let me use cool rigs.
Ruger ,44 fingergroove
Ruger #1 RSI .243
Remington 760 .35 rem

Got no hate for a rifled 870 really.
But I grew up hunting chucks, and like rifles better.

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#13735550 - 04/12/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]  
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hook, I’m with you.

Used a slug gun and then my TC Omega for a lot of Indiana white tails.

Then built a 358 Indiana Deer Cartridge aka a 358/25 WSSM shooting a 200 grain Hornady SP at 2,600 fps. Built off the Win WSSM CRPF action. Nice thumper.

Then they changed to 1.800” case length, so I had a 358 Hoosier built on a Rem 700 short action. Basically a 358 Win shortened to 1.800”. Still shoots a 200 grain Hornady SP at 2,550 fps. Still a deer thumper.

Then they started to allow anything that was 6mm or 30 cal, but nothing else. So used a 243.

Then they expanded it to anything 6mm to 30 cal. But not smaller or larger. So a 7mm08 works great.

After the 5 year trial period, I hope they put some permanent rules in place. It’s getting quite trying.....


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#13735706 - 04/12/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]  
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Other than the obvious Random Bastard Thought dart board method, what criteria have they used to approve or disapprove cartridges out there?


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#13735859 - 04/12/19 Re: The New Win .350 Legend. [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]  
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hookeye: what is PCR?

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