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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
At what point has any part of this special council followed the letter of the law?


In any court case besides this one, the investigation would have been squashed as illegal, based on false information and perjury, and therefore any findings found to be "fruits of a poisonous tree"...

If Mueller has such a free reign, why does he even report to anyone in the AG's office?

Read the "Rules" and the Law that relates to the appointment of a SC.

In a nut shell.
The SC is appointed because there would be a conflict of interest if the investigation were to go through normal channels, Example, the FBI investigating itself.

The SC reports his/her finding to the AG or DAG.

If the AG or DAG have no objections to the SC findings and the proposed indictments, it mores forward.

If the AG or the DAG have objections to the SC proposed indictments, then the AG or DAG Must submit the reason(s) for his/her objections to Congress.

In other words, Barr cannot orders Mueller to rescind any indictment, that action must be reported to and approved by congress.


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Originally Posted by Middlefork_Miner
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Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by hasbeen1945
Fake news till it happens. Hasbeen



This. I heard Barr quashed it.


Are you saying that an Attorney General can overrule a Special Council? If so, then what is the point of a Special Council investigating corruption if the DOJ can overrule?



You need to re-read the link ... No indictments have been issued...some "UNNAMED SOURCES" have said it's going to happen.....NOT that it HAS happened...fake news, because it's NOT news, it's unverified SPECULATION, based on peoples IMAGINATIONS....

I don't need to re-read the link.

I was commenting on Jags post. He insinuated that these indicted were indeed real (I heard Barr quashed it) and that Barr had squashed them. How could Barr squash them if they were never there?

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What about the often mentioned "fact" that the SC regulations require that a crime be specified in the order creating the investigation, and that Mueller's paperwork doesn't? Wouldn't such an omission or violation of the rules make some difference in any outcome?

You seem pretty familiar with this stuff. Are you an attorney or just an enthusiastic observer?


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Originally Posted by steve4102
(b) The Special Counsel shall not be subject to the day-to-day supervision of any official of the Department. However, the Attorney General may request that the Special Counsel provide an explanation for any investigative or prosecutorial step, and may after review conclude that the action is so inappropriate or unwarranted under established Departmental practices that it should not be pursued. In conducting that review, the Attorney General will give great weight to the views of the Special Counsel. If the Attorney General concludes that a proposed action by a Special Counsel should not be pursued, the Attorney General shall notify Congress as specified in § 600.9(a)(3).

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/600.7

In other words, the AG cannot order the SC to do shchit, if he disagrees with the SC, he must report his finding and his reasons to Congress.


I can understand everyone else not readin your posts, but at least *you* should try and read em.

Your own post says that the AG can decide that an investigation or prosecution should not be pursued.

You know, the part *you* put in bold text?

The AG can tell the SC to drop a investigation/prosecution, all he's gotta do is tell congress he did it.

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Originally Posted by hosfly
Sorry it dont fit your narrative steve,, we have a saying around here not to let facts get in the way of a good story,, Ill respect your thread and back out,,


Hey, before ya leave can ya answer this for us?

1) If Donald J Trump was an informant for the FBI, an informant on the MOB.

2) ...and the same FBI organized an illegal plan to keep Donald J Trump out of the White House.

3) ...and the same FBI organized a coup/insurance plan to have him removed from office.

Why didn't the same corrupt, crooked FBI, just tell the Mob that Donald J Trump was a snitch. He would have been taken care of back in 2015 and they could have avoided this whole illegal coup?



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Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by steve4102
(b) The Special Counsel shall not be subject to the day-to-day supervision of any official of the Department. However, the Attorney General may request that the Special Counsel provide an explanation for any investigative or prosecutorial step, and may after review conclude that the action is so inappropriate or unwarranted under established Departmental practices that it should not be pursued. In conducting that review, the Attorney General will give great weight to the views of the Special Counsel. If the Attorney General concludes that a proposed action by a Special Counsel should not be pursued, the Attorney General shall notify Congress as specified in § 600.9(a)(3).

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/600.7

In other words, the AG cannot order the SC to do shchit, if he disagrees with the SC, he must report his finding and his reasons to Congress.


I can understand everyone else not readin your posts, but at least *you* should try and read em.

Your own post says that the AG can decide that an investigation or prosecution should not be pursued.

You know, the part *you* put in bold text?

The AG can tell the SC to drop a investigation/prosecution, all he's gotta do is tell congress he did it.

Really?

Ya mean the part that says if the AG concludes that a proposed action by a SC should not be pursued he must notify congress. That part? The part that says the AG cannot just squash a SC proposals without involving congress? The part that says that the SC is not subjected to supervision by any official of the DOJ, that part?

He must notify congress of his objection to the SC proposal. It does not say he takes action and then informs congress.

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This part, you idiot:

§ 600.9 Notification and reports by the Attorney General.
(a) The Attorney General will notify the Chairman and Ranking Minority Member of the Judiciary Committees of each House of Congress, with an explanation for each action -

(1) Upon appointing a Special Counsel;

(2) Upon removing any Special Counsel; and

(3) Upon conclusion of the Special Counsels investigation, including, to the extent consistent with applicable law, a description and explanation of instances (if any) in which the Attorney General concluded that a proposed action by a Special Counsel was so inappropriate or unwarranted under established Departmental practices that it should not be pursued.

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Originally Posted by Fubarski
This part, you idiot:

§ 600.9 Notification and reports by the Attorney General.
(a) The Attorney General will notify the Chairman and Ranking Minority Member of the Judiciary Committees of each House of Congress, with an explanation for each action -

(1) Upon appointing a Special Counsel;

(2) Upon removing any Special Counsel; and

(3) Upon conclusion of the Special Counsels investigation, including, to the extent consistent with applicable law, a description and explanation of instances (if any) in which the Attorney General concluded that a proposed action by a Special Counsel was so inappropriate or unwarranted under established Departmental practices that it should not be pursued.

Hey dumb ass, the Mueller investigation has not been concluded.

Says nothing about his authority to intervene during an ongoing investigation you stupid f*ck.


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Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Fubarski
This part, you idiot:

§ 600.9 Notification and reports by the Attorney General.
(a) The Attorney General will notify the Chairman and Ranking Minority Member of the Judiciary Committees of each House of Congress, with an explanation for each action -

(1) Upon appointing a Special Counsel;

(2) Upon removing any Special Counsel; and

(3) Upon conclusion of the Special Counsels investigation, including, to the extent consistent with applicable law, a description and explanation of instances (if any) in which the Attorney General concluded that a proposed action by a Special Counsel was so inappropriate or unwarranted under established Departmental practices that it should not be pursued.

Hey dumb ass, the Mueller investigation has not been concluded.

Says nothing about his authority to intervene during an ongoing investigation you stupid f*ck.


Your stupidity is the gift that keeps on givin.

The AG can order the SC ta drop any investigation/prosecution at any time.

But, after the SC's investigation is over, the AG's gotta report what the AG did to congress, in case congress wants to do something about it, like impeachment.

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Found this. Seems at least one three-judge panel of an appeals court has ruled the appointment of Mueller is legit, but it may go to a full review or the SCOTUS.

Anyway, here's another view:

http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/31/3-reasons-rosensteins-special-counsel-appointment-illegal/


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Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Fubarski
This part, you idiot:

§ 600.9 Notification and reports by the Attorney General.
(a) The Attorney General will notify the Chairman and Ranking Minority Member of the Judiciary Committees of each House of Congress, with an explanation for each action -

(1) Upon appointing a Special Counsel;

(2) Upon removing any Special Counsel; and

(3) Upon conclusion of the Special Counsels investigation, including, to the extent consistent with applicable law, a description and explanation of instances (if any) in which the Attorney General concluded that a proposed action by a Special Counsel was so inappropriate or unwarranted under established Departmental practices that it should not be pursued.

Hey dumb ass, the Mueller investigation has not been concluded.

Says nothing about his authority to intervene during an ongoing investigation you stupid f*ck.


Your stupidity is the gift that keeps on givin.

The AG can order the SC ta drop any investigation/prosecution at any time.

But, after the SC's investigation is over, the AG's gotta report what the AG did to congress, in case congress wants to do something about it, like impeachment.

Bull Schit, you stupid [bleep].

The AG can fire a SC, but he must show cause. Anytime for no reason WRONG.

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The current special counsel regulations specify that:[6]

The Special Counsel may be disciplined or removed from office only by the personal action of the Attorney General. The Attorney General may remove a Special Counsel for misconduct, dereliction of duty, incapacity, conflict of interest, or for other good cause, including violation of Departmental policies. The Attorney General shall inform the Special Counsel in writing of the specific reason for their removal.

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Originally Posted by Pappy348
Found this. Seems at least one three-judge panel of an appeals court has ruled the appointment of Mueller is legit, but it may go to a full review or the SCOTUS.

Anyway, here's another view:

http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/31/3-reasons-rosensteins-special-counsel-appointment-illegal/



So what are they gonna do?

Un-convict Manafort, Flynn, Stone, etc?


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Originally Posted by steve4102
The AG can fire a SC, but he must show cause. Anytime for no reason WRONG.


Firin weren't the subject, tho the AG can do that anytime, too.

Just needs a reason.

Your dumbfckery's the herpes of the 'fire.

Just pops up ever once in awhile, for no reason.

But look at the bright side.

Most people'd hafta be shatfaced ta post the stuff you post.

Gotta admire the money you save bein able ta do it sober.

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Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by steve4102
The AG can fire a SC, but he must show cause. Anytime for no reason WRONG.


Firin weren't the subject, tho the AG can do that anytime, too.

Just needs a reason.

Your dumbfckery's the herpes of the 'fire.

Just pops up ever once in awhile, for no reason.

But look at the bright side.

Most people'd hafta be shatfaced ta post the stuff you post.

Gotta admire the money you save bein able ta do it sober.


Hey dumb ass, show where in the Rules for a special council, appointment, approval, dismissal it says that an AG can order a SC to drop select parts of his/her investigation.


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You *already* posted it moron.

Hate ta suggest anybody should suffer through tryin ta read onea your posts, but you deserve the punishment.

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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by Pappy348
Found this. Seems at least one three-judge panel of an appeals court has ruled the appointment of Mueller is legit, but it may go to a full review or the SCOTUS.

Anyway, here's another view:

http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/31/3-reasons-rosensteins-special-counsel-appointment-illegal/



So what are they gonna do?

Un-convict Manafort, Flynn, Stone, etc?


Stone's not convicted of anything as yet, AFAIK. Trial begins in Sept. I believe.

Manafort plead to other crimes, not anything to do with Trump or Russia. He can rot for those, although it's intesting that those crimes were let slide by the Feds until they saw a possible rat to use against Trump.

Flynn plead to lying to investigators, though he wasn't informed of his rights, or even that it was an "interview" with LE. I expect Trump will pardon him for that, as he should, unless it gets thrown out via another route. Anything else he did that was actually a crime, he can swing for, IMO, just like anyone else.


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How bout reading the actual "story" instead of some BS hack piece in the gatewaydumbass.

https://spectator.us/mueller-barr-battle-indict-trump/


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