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No disrespect at all intended towards the Aussies nor the Kiwis, but I was under the impression that they declared war on the Japs because the Japs also attacked the British the same time as they attacked the U.S. as well. They did not declare war on the Japs because the Japs attacked the U.S. I am sure they did not appreciate it, though. I am very glad that we all worked together to defeat them.

If it wasn't for the French you would still be an English colony.

You are ill informed and ungrateful...and can stop inviting us to every war you start.

No, because they attacked Pearl Harbour....that was what the declaration of war stated.

The Japanese attacks on Burma and Hong Kong happened within hours of Pearl Harbour, lets just say that the declaration of war was coincidental with three strategic strikes by Japan within a 24hr period. Japan declared war on America and British Empire on 8 December 1941.

The battle of the Coral Sea was perhaps a tactical victory for Japan, a strategic victory for the Allies (America in particular), but ultimately irrelevant.

The first reversal of Japanese fortune, and possibly the single most significant battle of the Pacific Theatre was the Battle of Midway in early June 1942.

On a percentage of armed forces lost to overall population, America is low on the list. The UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand all lost a greater percentage of their population than America.

USA 0.32%
Canada 0.38%
Australia 0.58%
New Zealand 0.72%
UK 0.94%

The numbers look worse for America if you only count military service deaths and disregard civilian deaths.

USA 0.31%
Canada 0.37%
Australia 0.57%
New Zealand 0.72%
UK 0.80%

So who paid the highest price again?


There is enough 'ugly American' getting around on this forum to turn many nations off American presence. The greatest generation would probably be disappointed to see what passes for American culture today. Particularly the unfettered support of some sections of society for a Vietnam War draft dodger.

Damn, the thought police at work!

NZ Gov are fools for making law abiding citizen criminals and want to send them to 10years in prison.

He won't be going anywhere but home to his mother.

And a very articulate and lucid thought police too.

Up to you what you do with your travel plans. However, like most places you'll consider visiting for the first time, it's never like you imagine it to be.

Kick him a little harder!

WWII was won by the Allies, It was a joint effort plain and simple.

I sometimes think its the same with Americans.

If it wasn't for the French you would still be an English colony.
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That is a probable fact. Also, do not make the mistake of thinking the French had any particular great affection for the rebellious American colonies. Nor any disdain, either, for that matter. Our revolution was an avenue for them to fight the British away from Europe. A pretty good strategy that worked quite well for them and benefited us.

It's not my imagination, I guess I spent too much time on LinkedIn listening to the gun grabbers there. I want to live free with my handguns, rifles and shotguns. The idiots who don't want people down under to own anything that is a semi-auto or a handgun are screwed up in my opinion. Anyway, I will never visit there although my late father was a USMC Gunnery Sergeant who spent six months on Guadalcanal and he came back screwed up. Maybe it's hereditary.

The French haven't won anything in two centuries that I know of. I could be wrong though.

They're the undisputed world champs at tank backing, their military tanks have one forward gear and seven reverse gears ; ]

I've got a chitcan sneaking suspicion the shooter was a muzzie!

Sorry about your dad. My father was the same. One morning when I was nine years old I found him sobbing at the breakfast table and he was a hard man or so I thought. My mother said it was the anniversary of some particular battle against the Germans where he'd lost a few of his best friends. My small town has a memorial to all the local young guys who went off to fight in Europe in WWI and WWII and never returned. Also, one in Afghanistan too. Every small or large town in NZ has a memorial. Australia, Canada and Britain (fog breathers) too. I lost an uncle as well. Such a waste, but they did their duty.

The Japanese of course were particularly viscous fighters and eager to die for the emperor. One of the best books I've read on WWII was Eugene Sledge's "With the Old Breed".

If you ever do come down this way I'm sure you'll be welcomed and well treated and enjoy yourself. We're all brothers after all. Good luck and take care of yourself.

Update: The prime minister has announced this afternoon that it will ban all military assault type semi-autos. Other semi-autos such as .22 rimfire, high power hunting semi-auto rifles and semi-auto shotguns will be unaffected. Won't stop the criminals or any terrorists but hey, it'll keep the non gun public happy.

Yes we have the 2nd amendment

Along with corporate bailouts

Fed funded abortions

SS headed to the red at an alarming pace, actually no money in there. Just backed by the full faith of our govt


I’d like to think those down under and other freedom loving folks sprinkled upon this planet don’t cheer those things any more than they,cheered the collapse of the WTC buildings

Saddens me a bit when we look down our nose upon them when their freedoms are curtailed by their govts

Muslim infiltration is a problem in many countries along with ours

But the real battle seems to be joe avg citizen against freedom grabbing govts

For me, I’m just gonna wish my brothers in ideals good luck in whatever battles they face whether against govt sponsored Muslim immigration or attempts to degrade the freedoms they enjoy.

Hope I can count upon them to do the same for us. Our battles may be slightly different, but we have our battles as well.

To all my brothers down under, I wish you well as you navigate through this new development. Cosmoline and shovels are your friend, your govt? Remains to be seen.

The numbers in Canada go way up when you exclude Central Canada. Men work wiped out in some of the western Canadian towns in 1 & 2. Newfoundland also.
Aussies were considered ferocious fighters just like Canadians. I suspect Kiwi's were too.
I know quite a few Canadians that fought in Vietnam and Korea. Nobody will fight tougher than aforementioned.
Our PM 's Dad was a draft Dodger also.Justin was hit with the same hammer- embarrassing. Not acceptable.