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Originally Posted by urbaneruralite


Pay attention to how your handload will protect the bore from the shot. TSS will score your barrel if there is not something between it and the bore.


Does anyone know if Apex Ammo is loaded in this manner? I contacted Beretta and Franchi, both told me TSS would not harm my barrels.


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The good stuff handloaders get will score hard chrome. It will bang up your choke no matter what. I've only used what I get for handloading. Supposedly the pellets Federal loads are softer. And Federal has purpose built wads for their loads. Not sure how Federal gets 18g/cc without being hard as tungsten, but that's what they say.

I GUESS Apex will be loading htl wads one inside the other or lined with mylar. TSS is extremely tough on wads, but, done correctly, the shot should not come in contact with the bore. Correctly involves stacking cork or felt, rolling mylar up, getting it all settled, getting shot and buffer measured accurately and settled while keeping all that within the wad.

I would go Federal or roll my own. That's just my opinion. I have not used Apex. Apex has lots of happy customers.


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What chokes do ya'll use with 18g/cc TSS. Full OK?

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Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
3# of #9 TSS is ordered.

Now I just need hulls, a shell vise and a roll crimp tool.

Anxious to get started on some 20 gauge ammo.

Get yourself a GAEP roll crimp tool. They are the best of the bunch. All a bit of WD40 to the hull rim for lube and run the crimper at about 1100 rpm and your crimps will be perfect.

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Originally Posted by louiethedrifter
What chokes do ya'll use with 18g/cc TSS. Full OK?

Usually for a good hunting pattern, but the crazy high number patterns are with aftermarket chokes. Companies are making TSS specfic chokes now. Indian Creek ain't bad.


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Originally Posted by louiethedrifter
What chokes do ya'll use with 18g/cc TSS. Full OK?


I only shoot sxs shotguns, and for the last 6 years, those have been 20ga only. I do have a concern with barrel damage from Hevi-Shot, so I use Cylinder in the right and IC in the left.

I use Hevi-Shot #6 for most of my waterfowl hunting, with #4HS on occasion.

I've not had any issues with killing birds or damaging barrels, but I won't use the larger shot sizes, like #2, when using HS in the 20ga.

This is regular HS, not the TSS, to be clear.

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Hevi isn't anywhere near as dense as TSS. TSS is 18g/cc density, extremely hard shot. You should not be surprised to see damage when firing through a turkey choke. I have not seen any marking in smooth full chokes, but wad stripping turkey chokes do get banged up. They still work, though.


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.700 is about right for TSS

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