I’m looking for a new long range scope. I’m not devout to brands. I’m open to traditional dialing scopes and the new electronic stuff. My requirements:
Must have repeatable and accurate click values. Holds zero, of course. A reticle that allows me to accurately measure my hold for wind drift. Isn’t too heavy, preferably under 25oz. At least 14x zoom.
What I don’t want or am not concerned about: I don’t want to spend $3k I’m not concerned about top glass quality, it just has to be “good enough” - I’m not breaking down trophy quality with a rifle scope.
Scope will be used on a long range hunting rifle and may be shot out to 1K yards. I’m trying to keep the weight down around 10-10.5lbs and the rifle with bipod is 8.9lbs.
picatinny scope mounts - Nightforce scope 5 1/2-22x56 or a 8-32x56 i have both,but you do need a very accurate rifle to use a good scope to shoot that far out.
i have bench rest shot alot at 1000 yards believe me you need plenty good optic glass power to see well to shoot well at that distance. set some clay pigeons out on bank at 1000 yards and see how well you can hit those clay pigeons, that will give you the best answer.remember a heavier rifle will generally shoot better so scope weight means very little then.
SS 3x15. They check all of the boxes that you listed. Very reliable and dependable. Great reticle too. I have been using one since they came out. I was shooting steel with it today at 620yds.
Nikon BLACK X1000 comes in under 25oz and is very inexpensive. The price makes me leary, but it it looks like it has good reviews. Anyone have experience with these?
I’m looking for a new long range scope. I’m not devout to brands. I’m open to traditional dialing scopes and the new electronic stuff. My requirements:
Must have repeatable and accurate click values. Holds zero, of course. A reticle that allows me to accurately measure my hold for wind drift. Isn’t too heavy, preferably under 25oz. At least 14x zoom.
What I don’t want or am not concerned about: I don’t want to spend $3k I’m not concerned about top glass quality, it just has to be “good enough” - I’m not breaking down trophy quality with a rifle scope.
Scope will be used on a long range hunting rifle and may be shot out to 1K yards. I’m trying to keep the weight down around 10-10.5lbs and the rifle with bipod is 8.9lbs.
Those were also my parameters, I have 3 fixed 10x's with turrets (1 SWFA and 2 Leupy's) but I wanted a variable for what you've described . Yesterday I bought a Vortex Diamondback Tactical 30 mm MOA 4x16 FFP with the EBR-2C reticle. Cost $350+ tax, if it craps out ,fully guaranteed. If it pisses me off I'll sell it. MB
" Cheapest velocity in the world comes from a long barrel and I sure do like them. MB "
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This was on my list of possibilities. Have you actually used this scope? I can’t find anyone who has and the reviews I’ve found sound like sales pitches rather than unbiased reviews.
Let you know Chn . I just got 1 of those Savage M12 FV heavy barrels when the local Cabelas ran them for $319, the ergs on the stock were great , has the Accu-trigger. Cheapest velocity gain in the world is long barrel length I didn't buy the gun for brush hunting. I put a 20 MOA Blackhawk rail on it. The 30mm rings I have are to tall, I'll get shorter ones. Be shooting it this weekend for sure I've got 120 BT's ,130 gr TMK Sierras and some 140 gr Hornady BTHP's. So far with factory ammo I've noted real low recoil and great accuracy, all I needed was the scope to wring it out. MB
" Cheapest velocity in the world comes from a long barrel and I sure do like them. MB "
This was on my list of possibilities. Have you actually used this scope? I can’t find anyone who has and the reviews I’ve found sound like sales pitches rather than unbiased reviews.
This was on my list of possibilities. Have you actually used this scope? I can’t find anyone who has and the reviews I’ve found sound like sales pitches rather than unbiased reviews.
I have 3 tracking is excellent glass is good nice eye relief. All mine have the MOA Milling recticle.
i have bench rest shot alot at 1000 yards believe me you need plenty good optic glass power to see well to shoot well at that distance. set some clay pigeons out on bank at 1000 yards and see how well you can hit those clay pigeons, that will give you the best answer.remember a heavier rifle will generally shoot better so scope weight means very little then.
Well put. . . . I would add that once you get your 1000 yard hunting rifle assembled, find yourself a real 1000 yard benchrest match and shoot paper. . . . paper doesn't lie.
Appreciate the advice folks. I have shot long range with rifles in a variety of configurations and calibers for a long time. I’m not a novice, just looking for others experiences for some help with scope selection.
I've 80+ SWFA scopes and have yet to see a mechanical issue.
Maybe they are all Safe Queens?
Laughing!.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
My 4.5-18x LRHSi would not track or hold zero,on my heaviest 6BR.
Took a coupla months,but they sent a LRTSi in like magnification,to replace it and I MUCH prefer it's reticle.
Pass the SWFA and hold the Fluff.
Hint...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I only recently started wringing out mine and I am liking it very much. I might sell my 2 nf and just go all swfa all day every day.
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven.
I've 80+ SWFA scopes and have yet to see a mechanical issue.
Maybe they are all Safe Queens?
Laughing!.................
Most amazing. All the dirt poor hillbillies around here went swfa ss because of price and tracking... many years ago. At least for long distance ground hogs.
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven.
[quote=Magnum_Bob Those were also my parameters, I have 3 fixed 10x's with turrets (1 SWFA and 2 Leupy's) but I wanted a variable for what you've described . Yesterday I bought a Vortex Diamondback Tactical 30 mm MOA 4x16 FFP with the EBR-2C reticle. Cost $350+ tax, if it craps out ,fully guaranteed. If it pisses me off I'll sell it. MB [/quote]
My guess is one of the two WILL happen. Likely, the former before the latter.
P.S. Somebody had too, or was going to say the same thing, otherwise it wouldn't be the 'Fire.
I never thought I'd grow up to be a grumpy old man, but I did, and I'm killin' it.
I've 80+ SWFA scopes and have yet to see a mechanical issue.
Maybe they are all Safe Queens?
Laughing!.................
If you have a wife and kids and the disposable income for that many scopes, then you are probably not just doing logging for hourly wage.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps
I'll 2nd, 3rd or 4th the NF suggestions. I don't have much experience with anything else but the Leopold MKIV. The NF have good quality glass, lots of adjustment, hold zero, track well and are tough. They also are a little heavy and expensive.
yes shoot`n steel makes more noise but paper shows how well you can group in the middle of a paper ? and as has been said proves how well your rifle,you,ammo all shoot ? at the 1,000 yard bench matches or 600 yard FTR shoots i go to ,most use Nightforce scopes that shows what works best too.
It won’t make your weight request but the 5-27x56 Vortex Razor is your huckleberry. I shoot PRS matches with one and love it. I will have it on my long range hunting rifle come this fall. Slap it on a picatinny rail and your ready .
I've 80+ SWFA scopes and have yet to see a mechanical issue.
Maybe they are all Safe Queens?
Laughing!.................
Most amazing. All the dirt poor hillbillies around here went swfa ss because of price and tracking... many years ago. At least for long distance ground hogs.
Barely made $110K thus far this year.
Have a few SWFA scopes setting in the PO,awaiting same to open tomorrow. Likely Heavy Bitches for giggles(5-20x HD's).
Pass the 6x MQ for Utility.
Hint................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
The 6x has more erector travel than all of the Fixed versions you cite(typically 42 Mils),though the Illuminatti boasts a fhuqky CRAZY 62 Mils of erector on the average.
Hint........................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I've 80+ SWFA scopes and have yet to see a mechanical issue.
Maybe they are all Safe Queens?
Laughing!.................
Most amazing. All the dirt poor hillbillies around here went swfa ss because of price and tracking... many years ago. At least for long distance ground hogs.
Barely made $110K thus far this year.
Have a few SWFA scopes setting in the PO,awaiting same to open tomorrow. Likely Heavy Bitches for giggles(5-20x HD's).
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
You have 180# on’er I promise. And I look at my family pictures and all kids in it are mine.
Nothing like a fat fûck calling out a hit on the wife. 🤣 How’s that tub azz kid that might be yours just maybe. LMFAO she’s yours I’m joking ya got the same build and facial structure. 😱
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Why is it that you Whining CLUELESS Kchunts are sooooo fast to get horned up? Congratulations?!?
You'd need a Co-signer for the tape.
Bless your heart.
Hint.
LAUGHING!................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
It's been nearly 5 fhuqking minutes since a new LR Scope hit my mail box...at least you "get" to read about it. Congratulations?!?
PO doesn't open until Noon on Saturdays and only to 2:00PM,but it worked out nicely. The Pea Soup finally lifted and I only got (2) High RPM rifles in yesterday's Mail and finally have the atmospherics to stretch 'em.
You set astride your couchbound kchunt and play with your Imagination and it's Pretend,you "lucky" kchunt.
Bless your heart for CRYING.
Hint.
LAUGHING!................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
It's been nearly 5 fhuqking minutes since a new LR Scope hit my mail box...at least you "get" to read about it. Congratulations?!?
PO doesn't open until Noon on Saturdays and only to 2:00PM,but it worked out nicely. The Pea Soup finally lifted and I only got (2) High RPM rifles in yesterday's Mail and finally have the atmospherics to stretch 'em.
You set astride your couchbound kchunt and play with your Imagination and it's Pretend,you "lucky" kchunt.
Bless your heart for CRYING.
Hint.
LAUGHING!................
...heh heh heh heh heh...
5-20X...congrats!
Don't ask me about my military service or heroic acts...most of it is untrue.
Never even heard of 'em,let alone on a High RPM 22BR or a Vudoo........................(grin)
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I have been buying Leupold VX-6HD every year, but if SWFA is what Big Stick likes, I will buy one of those too.
He is the DJT of 24HCF, with a billion dollars of bad publicity.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps
Let you know Chn . I just got 1 of those Savage M12 FV heavy barrels when the local Cabelas ran them for $319, the ergs on the stock were great , has the Accu-trigger. Cheapest velocity gain in the world is long barrel length I didn't buy the gun for brush hunting. I put a 20 MOA Blackhawk rail on it. The 30mm rings I have are to tall, I'll get shorter ones. Be shooting it this weekend for sure I've got 120 BT's ,130 gr TMK Sierras and some 140 gr Hornady BTHP's. So far with factory ammo I've noted real low recoil and great accuracy, all I needed was the scope to wring it out. MB
I'm running the same rifle. Shoots damn good, but I also fine tuned the bedding and barrel channel. Shoots much better than it came from the factory. Here's how it does with a 16x SS and a more expensive scope, for comparison. Probably didn't take as much time on the second group with the nightforce and the barrel was warm by the time it was sighted in... Pic just for reference, but I'd use either one of these scopes on this long range rig and also the SHV 5-20x56 is pretty damn nice. The SS will track precisely and it holds zero damn well:
I'd also be half tempted to try out a 3-15 SS..
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Probably didn't take as much time on the second group with the nightforce and the barrel was warm by the time it was sighted in...
And the bore could be getting dirty, and the wind could be picking up, and the light could be failing so the pupil dilates, and the shooter could be getting tired, and......
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps
You're just jealous because you screwed up mounting a scope on your AR.
Trybone,
Your Tender Feelers are a fhuqking HOOT! Congratulations?!?
Start a Thread if/when you go Outdooors,beyond the fence and your leash.
Hint.
LAUGHING!................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Your MELTING Snowflake Routine,is no fhuqking "act". Congratulations?!?
Bless your heart for Whining though.
Hint.
Laughing!...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
What do you "do" for a "living",that "grants" you opportunity to amass sooooooooo many very WELL founded Insecurities? Congratulations?!?
Bless your heart,you lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit.
Hint.
LAUGHING!..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
You MAGNIFICENTLY Lying Piece Of fhuqking Schit...pardon my consuming your every thought and move Congratulations?!?
Bless your heart for Whining.
Hint.
LAUGHING!................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I agree that the 3-15 would fit your requirements. Regarding the 3-15 SWFA. There are two versions while both are FFP, the MOA has a space in the reticle with dot in center. Mil has a solid crosshair.
I am very happy with the SWFA scopes I own.While the SS are great the HD models are even better. To date have had no issues with any of them.
SS 10x, SS 12x, SS 3-15 , long discontinued HD 1-4, HD 1-6, HD 5-20 illum. Considering a HD 10x and a few more 3-15s as well as at least one more 5-20.
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Yes I know but it would only be found used as it was discontinued a while back. I have one and prefer the FFP version as the SFP crosshair with the tiny dot IMO are a bit too fine for anything but varminting or targets.
Yes I know but it would only be found used as it was discontinued a while back. I have one and prefer the FFP version as the SFP crosshair with the tiny dot IMO are a bit too fine for anything but varminting or targets.
I forgot I also have a HD 3-9......
I am also plagued with needing fat reticles for my old eyes. I also just found out I bought a SWFA ultra light last year and forgot*. But I generally like second focal plane better for wide reticles. I have no SWFA FFPs, but some of my USO and IOR scopes do and are unusable on low power, as the reticle disappears.
*When your memory is bad enough, you can hide your own Easter eggs.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps
I've got the 3-15's,5-20's,3-9,1-4's etc...pass the Fixed Fhuqkers and hold the Fluff. 6x MQ for Utility,perhaps 10x MQ on a Play Toy,but less IS more.
Hint..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I've got the 3-15's,5-20's,3-9,1-4's etc...pass the Fixed Fhuqkers and hold the Fluff. 6x MQ for Utility,perhaps 10x MQ on a Play Toy,but less IS more.
Hint..............
That's pretty damn funny, you giving advice. How many matches have you won with *any* scope, much less a 10 MQ?
You poor poor(literally) Lying CLUELESS Piece Of Fhuqking Schit,I get a kick outta your VERY Tender Feelers...you "lucky" kchunt. Congratulations?!?
Bless your heart for Crying.
Hint.
LAUGHING!...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I've been using a 4 to 16 X 50 PMII (Schmidt & Bender) for over 20 years now. Works like a charm out to 750 yards (which is the length of the field I hunt). One problem for you though - it weighs around 2lbs. For the type of hunting I do I really am not concerned with weight. My current rifle/scope combo is around 14lbs.
Just got the Zeiss V4 6-24x50 with ZBR reticle going on a 300 Weatherby for elk season probably 6.5 Creedmoor after. Lots of reliable adjustment excellent glass. Very impressive at long range Saturday.
Just got the Zeiss V4 6-24x50 with ZBR reticle going on a 300 Weatherby for elk season probably 6.5 Creedmoor after. Lots of reliable adjustment excellent glass. Very impressive at long range Saturday.
I don't think many (any?) NF achieving at least 14x are going to make weight.
I have a SS 3-15 on my heavy .260. It works for me.
Yes! Love that scope!
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven.
I am biased, I admit, but the Schmidt &Bender 3-20 is the HEAT!! Fantastic magnification range, no tunneling, smaller than the 5-20, but possibly more useful. I have the 3-20 as well as the 5-25, and I THINK, I'm liking the 3-20 more. I run mine on my gasser GAP10, and couldn't be happier.