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Re: 10 mm semi options bwinters #13711222 04/03/19
Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,040 Central Kentucky N Nate40 Campfire Regular
Nate40 Campfire Regular N Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,040 Central Kentucky	Ive had a couple of g20s,a g29,and presently a kimber custom ii 10mm. The g20 is a very good gun, but to me the grip is way to big. The g29 is a cool gun but with the short barrel you loose velocity. My current 10mm is the kimber. Im really liking it. They have a special going on now on gunbroker for these. Mine was $645 shipped new Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

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Re: 10 mm semi options bwinters #13713140 04/04/19
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,083 Kitsap Peninsula, WA John_Havard Campfire Regular
John_Havard Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,083 Kitsap Peninsula, WA	I own both a Gen4 G20 and a Gen3 G20SF. Previous posters are right - the grips are the same size. Neither has ergonomics as wonderful as a 1911 but then nothing really does. I also own a Springfield XDm 10mm with the 5.25" barrel. Ergonomics are better than the Glocks but the trigger is really mushy with a lot of travel. 10mm is the cat's ass.

Re: 10 mm semi options bwinters #13713288 04/04/19
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,404 B bobmn Campfire Regular
bobmn Campfire Regular B Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,404	I would consider a 1911 with a 460 Rowland Clark conversion if I was concerned about "big brown inland growlies". A 230 grain flat nose hard cast lead bullet at 1200 fps is approaching 44 mag territory.

Re: 10 mm semi options Vic_in_Va #13713353 04/04/19
Joined: May 2009 Posts: 17,260 Cheyenne, Wy Fotis Campfire Ranger
Fotis Campfire Ranger Joined: May 2009 Posts: 17,260 Cheyenne, Wy	Originally Posted by Vic_in_Va Keep the XDm 5.25 in mind. THIS! https://thehandloadinglog.wordpress.com μολὼν λαβέ "Weatherby was too long so I nicknamed it "Bee""

Re: 10 mm semi options bwinters #13713364 04/04/19
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,241 Northern Louisiana JPro Campfire Ranger
JPro Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,241 Northern Louisiana	The XDM 5.25 and the Ruger stainless 1911 full-size both seem like good options for the money. $650-800. Now with even more aplomb

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Re: 10 mm semi options John_Havard #13713370 04/04/19
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,083 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana
Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,083 Central Louisiana	Originally Posted by John_Havard I own both a Gen4 G20 and a Gen3 G20SF. Previous posters are right - the grips are the same size. Neither has ergonomics as wonderful as a 1911 but then nothing really does. I also own a Springfield XDm 10mm with the 5.25" barrel. Ergonomics are better than the Glocks but the trigger is really mushy with a lot of travel. 10mm is the cat's ass. Gen 4 Glock 20 with RMR. I had to get Trijicon supressor irons to co-witness the RMR, finding the dot is faster, at least for me. The grip (even Gen 4) is sorta big, takes some getting used to. A range officer bud says to get the trigger in the first finger joint, don't use the finger pad like with a 1911. I have long fingers and have to rotate my hand somewhat to get that far into the trigger. I think he's right. Glock holds more ammo than the 1911, not sure what that's worth... DF

Re: 10 mm semi options Dirtfarmer #13713487 04/04/19
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 21,959 Idaho 340boy Campfire Ranger
340boy Campfire Ranger Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 21,959 Idaho	Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by John_Havard I own both a Gen4 G20 and a Gen3 G20SF. Previous posters are right - the grips are the same size. Neither has ergonomics as wonderful as a 1911 but then nothing really does. I also own a Springfield XDm 10mm with the 5.25" barrel. Ergonomics are better than the Glocks but the trigger is really mushy with a lot of travel. 10mm is the cat's ass. Gen 4 Glock 20 with RMR. I had to get Trijicon supressor irons to co-witness the RMR, finding the dot is faster, at least for me. The grip (even Gen 4) is sorta big, takes some getting used to. A range officer bud says to get the trigger in the first finger joint, don't use the finger pad like with a 1911. I have long fingers and have to rotate my hand somewhat to get that far into the trigger. I think he's right. Glock holds more ammo than the 1911, not sure what that's worth... DF Nice! Been thinking about a G40 myself though I'm not sure about the RMR idea? Last edited by 340boy; 04/04/19. "For joy of knowing what may not be known we take the golden road to Samarkand." James Elroy Flecker

Re: 10 mm semi options 340boy #13713664 04/04/19
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,083 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana
Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,083 Central Louisiana	Originally Posted by 340boy Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by John_Havard I own both a Gen4 G20 and a Gen3 G20SF. Previous posters are right - the grips are the same size. Neither has ergonomics as wonderful as a 1911 but then nothing really does. I also own a Springfield XDm 10mm with the 5.25" barrel. Ergonomics are better than the Glocks but the trigger is really mushy with a lot of travel. 10mm is the cat's ass. Gen 4 Glock 20 with RMR. I had to get Trijicon supressor irons to co-witness the RMR, finding the dot is faster, at least for me. The grip (even Gen 4) is sorta big, takes some getting used to. A range officer bud says to get the trigger in the first finger joint, don't use the finger pad like with a 1911. I have long fingers and have to rotate my hand somewhat to get that far into the trigger. I think he's right. Glock holds more ammo than the 1911, not sure what that's worth... DF Nice! Been thinking about a G40 myself though I'm not sure about the RMR idea? It's my first. Still getting used to it. DF

Re: 10 mm semi options Dirtfarmer #13714130 04/04/19
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 18,300 Mobile J jimmyp Campfire Ranger
jimmyp Campfire Ranger J Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 18,300 Mobile	I am thinking the 20 does not come with the MOS cut?

Re: 10 mm semi options jimmyp #13714212 04/04/19
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,083 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana
Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,083 Central Louisiana	Originally Posted by jimmyp I am thinking the 20 does not come with the MOS cut? I wrote G-20, think this one is a G-40. It has the MOS cutout. Senior moment? DF

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Re: 10 mm semi options Dirtfarmer #13714247 04/04/19
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 21,959 Idaho 340boy Campfire Ranger
340boy Campfire Ranger Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 21,959 Idaho	Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by 340boy Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by John_Havard I own both a Gen4 G20 and a Gen3 G20SF. Previous posters are right - the grips are the same size. Neither has ergonomics as wonderful as a 1911 but then nothing really does. I also own a Springfield XDm 10mm with the 5.25" barrel. Ergonomics are better than the Glocks but the trigger is really mushy with a lot of travel. 10mm is the cat's ass. Gen 4 Glock 20 with RMR. I had to get Trijicon supressor irons to co-witness the RMR, finding the dot is faster, at least for me. The grip (even Gen 4) is sorta big, takes some getting used to. A range officer bud says to get the trigger in the first finger joint, don't use the finger pad like with a 1911. I have long fingers and have to rotate my hand somewhat to get that far into the trigger. I think he's right. Glock holds more ammo than the 1911, not sure what that's worth... DF Nice! Been thinking about a G40 myself though I'm not sure about the RMR idea? It's my first. Still getting used to it. DF Got it. I had a few years back a G20 SF that I retrofitted with Meprolite adjustable tritium sights and a 6" KKM barrel. I liked that rig! I got rid of it years ago but kept the KKM barrel. I wonder if it would work in the G40? 😎 "For joy of knowing what may not be known we take the golden road to Samarkand." James Elroy Flecker

Re: 10 mm semi options bobmn #13714286 04/04/19
Joined: May 2002 Posts: 9,525 Vic_in_Va Campfire Outfitter
Vic_in_Va Campfire Outfitter Joined: May 2002 Posts: 9,525	Originally Posted by bobmn I would consider a 1911 with a 460 Rowland Clark conversion if I was concerned about "big brown inland growlies". A 230 grain flat nose hard cast lead bullet at 1200 fps is approaching 44 mag territory. I have one, and 1150+ fps with a 255 grain LBT LFN is done at reasonably low pressure and recoil. 1200 is doable, but recoil is starting to slow you down. I believe meplat is 83% and BHn is 22. It will penetrate. Feeds reliably in my pistol. Montana Bullet works LFN GC:

Re: 10 mm semi options 340boy #13714302 04/04/19
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,083 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana
Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,083 Central Louisiana	Originally Posted by 340boy Got it. I had a few years back a G20 SF that I retrofitted with Meprolite adjustable tritium sights and a 6" KKM barrel. I liked that rig! I got rid of it years ago but kept the KKM barrel. I wonder if it would work in the G40? 😎 With 6" barrel, I'd think it would. DF

Re: 10 mm semi options Dirtfarmer #13714372 04/04/19
Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,755 Skagit County, WA Y Yondering Campfire Tracker
Yondering Campfire Tracker Y Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,755 Skagit County, WA	Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by 340boy Got it. I had a few years back a G20 SF that I retrofitted with Meprolite adjustable tritium sights and a 6" KKM barrel. I liked that rig! I got rid of it years ago but kept the KKM barrel. I wonder if it would work in the G40? 😎 With 6" barrel, I'd think it would. DF Caution - It'll physically fit, but if it was a G20sf barrel it probably has the gen 3 guide rod cut, which is smaller than what the G40 needs. The difference is just a radius cut in front of the locking lugs and is the spot where the guide rod sits; the head of gen 4 guide rods is bigger than the gen 3 guide rods. Because of that, gen 4 barrels are reverse compatible with gen 3 guns, but not the other way around. You can cause some problems using that gen 3 barrel in a gen 4. However, if you're pretty handy with tools or know a local friendly machinist, enlarging that radius is possible.

Re: 10 mm semi options 340boy #13714435 04/04/19
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou... kingston Campfire 'Bwana
kingston Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou...	Originally Posted by 340boy Got it. I had a few years back a G20 SF that I retrofitted with Meprolite adjustable tritium sights and a 6" KKM barrel. I liked that rig! I got rid of it years ago but kept the KKM barrel. I wonder if it would work in the G40? 😎 If not, you can sell it to me. Originally Posted by 16penny If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty

Re: 10 mm semi options Yondering #13714481 04/04/19
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 21,959 Idaho 340boy Campfire Ranger
340boy Campfire Ranger Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 21,959 Idaho	Originally Posted by Yondering Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by 340boy Got it. I had a few years back a G20 SF that I retrofitted with Meprolite adjustable tritium sights and a 6" KKM barrel. I liked that rig! I got rid of it years ago but kept the KKM barrel. I wonder if it would work in the G40? 😎 With 6" barrel, I'd think it would. DF Caution - It'll physically fit, but if it was a G20sf barrel it probably has the gen 3 guide rod cut, which is smaller than what the G40 needs. The difference is just a radius cut in front of the locking lugs and is the spot where the guide rod sits; the head of gen 4 guide rods is bigger than the gen 3 guide rods. Because of that, gen 4 barrels are reverse compatible with gen 3 guns, but not the other way around. You can cause some problems using that gen 3 barrel in a gen 4. However, if you're pretty handy with tools or know a local friendly machinist, enlarging that radius is possible. Yondering, Good info there, I probably ought to check with KKM before I try the swap. I love the barrel, it turned that G20 of mine into a hunting machine. I was very impressed with the accuracy-from slow factory 'target' loads all the way to hot Buffalo Bore and Underwood stuff. Last edited by 340boy; 04/04/19. "For joy of knowing what may not be known we take the golden road to Samarkand." James Elroy Flecker

Re: 10 mm semi options kingston #13714487 04/04/19
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 21,959 Idaho 340boy Campfire Ranger
340boy Campfire Ranger Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 21,959 Idaho	Originally Posted by kingston Originally Posted by 340boy Got it. I had a few years back a G20 SF that I retrofitted with Meprolite adjustable tritium sights and a 6" KKM barrel. I liked that rig! I got rid of it years ago but kept the KKM barrel. I wonder if it would work in the G40? 😎 If not, you can sell it to me. It is the only aftermarket barrel I have ever tried in my Glocks, and it did quite well. In fact, I'm sort of kicking myself for ever selling that Gen3 G20-it was a great 'host'. "For joy of knowing what may not be known we take the golden road to Samarkand." James Elroy Flecker

Re: 10 mm semi options bwinters #13714852 04/04/19
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 27,927 TN A alwaysoutdoors Campfire Ranger
alwaysoutdoors Campfire Ranger A Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 27,927 TN	There’s a lot more 10mm options today than there was 5 years ago and that’s a good thing. I’ve owned delta elites, Kimber 1911s, and glocks. They all functioned well. I’m really wanting to try an xdm.

Re: 10 mm semi options alwaysoutdoors #13715343 04/05/19
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 18,300 Mobile J jimmyp Campfire Ranger
jimmyp Campfire Ranger J Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 18,300 Mobile	I wonder about the xdm myself, wish there were more reviews on the gun and its performance. I would want to disable the grip safety as well, foolish idea in my opinion.

Re: 10 mm semi options bwinters #13715421 04/05/19
Joined: May 2009 Posts: 17,260 Cheyenne, Wy Fotis Campfire Ranger
Fotis Campfire Ranger Joined: May 2009 Posts: 17,260 Cheyenne, Wy	The ultimate 10mm in my opinion. EAA WITNESS 15 shot. Great looks very very accurate and looks great I love mine. https://thehandloadinglog.wordpress.com μολὼν λαβέ "Weatherby was too long so I nicknamed it "Bee""

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