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DF, it's true that very soft lead bullets (meaning swaged lead, not cast for the most part) don't do well in Glock barrels, but that's true for a lot of other barrels as well. Medium to hard cast bullets are a totally different story though; as long as the bullet is slightly (usually .001" or more) larger than the groove and throat dimensions and hardness is matched well to maximum load pressure, they'll generally shoot well in Glock barrels without any danger. Obviously there are exceptions when loads are too hot or too weak, bullets the wrong shape, etc etc, but again those things apply to pretty much all barrels, not just Glock.

I'm speaking from experience, cast being 99.9% of what I shoot, lots of it in Glock barrels.

One caveat/exception that specific to the 9mm though is the tendency for some European 9mm barrels to have larger groove diameter than the standard .355" in the US. I had one 9mm G19 barrel (Austria marked gun) that slugged at .357" - that would tend to lead up (obviously) with .356" cast bullets, but when used with the same bullets at .358" it had no problems. My other Glock 9mm bores have all been .355". That particular oddity of 9mm barrels seems to be a Euro vs USA thing and is not exclusive to Glock.

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I have a good supply of 180 gr. .401", 38-40 bullets from my CAS days. I'd say they were pretty soft. I'm hoping they'll work well thru the 7" KKM barrel for my Glock 40.

Those shoot great in my 1910 vintage 38-40 Win '92. It has a shiney bore with a few pits. It actually out shot a new Marlin Cowboy .45 Colt, pretty amazing for a nearly 110 yr old rifle.

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DF, if you ever decide to give a 1911 10mm a go, the Dan Wesson Valor is a beautifully accurate beast already rigged up with the checkering and night sights, a friend bought one of those the same time i got my Razorback, both pistols are more accurate than either of us, which isn't saying much in my case.


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Originally Posted by gunner500
DF, if you ever decide to give a 1911 10mm a go, the Dan Wesson Valor is a beautifully accurate beast already rigged up with the checkering and night sights, a friend bought one of those the same time i got my Razorback, both pistols are more accurate than either of us, which isn't saying much in my case.

I don't have a Valor, but my favorite handgun in my (too small) stable is a Dan Wesson Specialist Commander. What a shooter!


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DF, if you ever decide to give a 1911 10mm a go, the Dan Wesson Valor is a beautifully accurate beast already rigged up with the checkering and night sights, a friend bought one of those the same time i got my Razorback, both pistols are more accurate than either of us, which isn't saying much in my case.

I don't have a Valor, but my favorite handgun in my (too small) stable is a Dan Wesson Specialist Commander. What a shooter!


NICE, I'm no pistolero aficionado, but, my DW is every bit as tight and accurate as my Les Baer, damn nice factory guns that feel like custom/semi-customs to me.


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DF, if you ever decide to give a 1911 10mm a go, the Dan Wesson Valor is a beautifully accurate beast already rigged up with the checkering and night sights, a friend bought one of those the same time i got my Razorback, both pistols are more accurate than either of us, which isn't saying much in my case.

I don't have a Valor, but my favorite handgun in my (too small) stable is a Dan Wesson Specialist Commander. What a shooter!


NICE, I'm no pistolero aficionado, but, my DW is every bit as tight and accurate as my Les Baer, damn nice factory guns that feel like custom/semi-customs to me.


I've never owned a full custom 1911, but I sure hear nice things about those Baers! I'm happy enough with my DW that I have thought about purchasing another-one in 10mm would be perfect.


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Never bought a full custom either, but have coon fingered a few a gun shows, very nice, I went with the cheaper DW Razorback because my 'Smith owed me about 180 bucks worth of labor on a deal, he put a beautiful custom front strap checkering job and a stainless magwell on my 10mm.

I wanted to order the correct height Novak style night sights to shoot to poa with the 200gr handload I'd eventually work up, so didn't need factory night sights either.


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Originally Posted by gunner500
Never bought a full custom either, but have coon fingered a few a gun shows, very nice, I went with the cheaper DW Razorback because my 'Smith owed me about 180 bucks worth of labor on a deal, he put a beautiful custom front strap checkering job and a stainless magwell on my 10mm.

I wanted to order the correct height Novak style night sights to shoot to poa with the 200gr handload I'd eventually work up, so didn't need factory night sights either.

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Thanks 340, I sure like it and recommend them to anyone anytime the subject comes up. smile


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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
I have a good supply of 180 gr. .401", 38-40 bullets from my CAS days. I'd say they were pretty soft. I'm hoping they'll work well thru the 7" KKM barrel for my Glock 40.

Those shoot great in my 1910 vintage 38-40 Win '92. It has a shiney bore with a few pits. It actually out shot a new Marlin Cowboy .45 Colt, pretty amazing for a nearly 110 yr old rifle.

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I would not expect much from those bullets in a 10mm or a 40 S&W. "Pretty soft" is not a good thing in higher pressure pistol cartridges like this unless you're really loading them down weak. The alloy needs to be matched to the cartridge pressure to some extent; very soft bullets are common in CAS shooting because of the very low pressure loads many use, but that's a whole different thing than the 10mm. A different bullet choice will save you some frustration.

In case it wasn't clear earlier - those very soft bullets like that are the problem in Glock barrels and the reason for the persistent rumor, but they don't usually work too well in other barrels either at high pressures.

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There are other options available to compete with Glock. New XDm 5.25" Ergos are better than a Glock (to me). Very few rounds fired thus far. Seems finicky. 3" at 20 offhand was easy with everything. Had to add some powder to get it to tighten up. Initial testing with Longshot sucked. Load above is 13.8 AA#9 and 180 Berry FMJ/FP something. Toying with crimp. May have added too much crimp to prior loads. Lyman taper crimp separate stage. Mag springs are stout AF. Sights are miles ahead of Glock factory. Already shooting better than a G40 I moved. But can't hold a candle to a Kimber Target II in 10. But get a light attachment point and a schitt ton more ammo on board.


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Have a decent full power training load. Now to test some carry ammo


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Wonder why the g40 shot so badly for you?


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Originally Posted by Jesse Jaymes
There are other options available to compete with Glock. New XDm 5.25" Ergos are better than a Glock (to me). Very few rounds fired thus far. Seems finicky. 3" at 20 offhand was easy with everything. Had to add some powder to get it to tighten up. Initial testing with Longshot sucked. Load above is 13.8 AA#9 and 180 Berry FMJ/FP something. Toying with crimp. May have added too much crimp to prior loads. Lyman taper crimp separate stage. Mag springs are stout AF. Sights are miles ahead of Glock factory. Already shooting better than a G40 I moved. But can't hold a candle to a Kimber Target II in 10. But get a light attachment point and a schitt ton more ammo on board.


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Max loads of AA-9 has been very accurate in both of my Glock 10mm’s and my Kimber 10mm. You might want to try some Hornady 180 gr & 200 gr XTP bullets.


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Have both. I'll dick around with these Berry's and use the XTP or Gold Dots for backcountry carry. Bought Underwood 180 Bonded (think they're bonded Gold Dots?) which I will test for accuracy and POI/POA check.

I dumped a decent WT buck this fall with my Kimber 10mm running same load with 180 XTP. 25 yards from a treestand. No pass through, but pretty pronounced downward angle from top of backtrap-ish into the goodies. I could hear sucking chest wound when he hit the dirt. Saw blood immediately. I'm kind impressed with the XTP.

RE: G40. I dicked with that gun a ton. Wasn't impressed. On paper (specs) it shoulda been a Rockstar. In reality....I couldn't get it to shoot to what I thought was an acceptable level of accuracy. I am personally much more of a precision rifle shooter/LR steel shooter who shoots and carries a pistol. So YouTube being full of DBs who burn ammo indoors at 5 yards and keep rounds on the target don't really impress me. I'll never take LESS accuracy, whether the situation requires it or not.

I did NOT RMR it, but I have at least a fair amount of handgun proficiency. Carry one daily for 22+ years now and shoot them often and more than a WalMart white box of ammo per year.


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Gold Dots and Remington Golden Sabre bullets are also accurate in mine with the same loads.

You’ll get pass through with the 200 gr XTP’s. I’ve yet to catch one in a hog or deer.

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Wonder why the g40 shot so badly for you?


Probably because he was trying to use cheap plated bullets in full power 10mm loads (if I understand his post). That's a pretty good recipe for poor accuracy. Good bullets change everything.

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Stated my load development was extensive. Don't assume that just because Glock didn't win


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As well as shooting factory ammo by Federal, Hornady, and Sig.


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Most of the factory pistol ammo I’ve shot in my handguns is just not that accurate. The one exception has been Speer Gold Dot Ammo.
By using big name brand factory produced handgun bullets in my hand loads, I’ve had much better results, accuracy wise.

Factory Rifle Ammo, however is a different story. Some very accurate stuff being produced nowadays by the major brands. Especially Hornady.


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