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Then there is this gem.

This was a rather bossy U.S. Army Major who we were tasked with protecting. Long story short she thought she was pretty hot stuff and fully equal of any of the people who were on her protection detail. We ended up in a remote province at a place where the locals were only being friendly to our faces and there was no doubt they were insurgents once they were out of our sight.

This hot shot Major, who insisted that she was just as capable somehow managed to get roughly 80-100 miles from the main U.S. base without a magazine in her sidearm (her only weapon) and no spare mags. Basically she was totally incompetent.

Funny thing is, none of us had any spare mags for her, as we don't carry Berettas.




Another Big Army Classic!

First I was discreetly trying to get these soldiers attention. We had been loaned out to provide protection/overwatch (I won't go into detail why the conventional Army and others need to be protected...)

Anyways, I was trying to tell the blonde SGT shown in the center of the pic that they cannot just leave their weapons unattended in their vehicles, since were were in a small town in a province in a Iraq and they were just asking for the iraqi police to steal their weapons or have them used against them. It was not a matter of IF, it was only a matter of WHEN some Iraqi grabbed one.

I was trying to be discreet, so as not to embarrass her. She thought I was motioning for her, because I wanted to hit on her..

The other thing I wanted to tell her was that as an NCO she was not exactly setting a great example since her 82nd Airborne patch was on UPSIDE DOWN....



I think I will pass on getting my weapons training from the conventional Military...

Mackey,
My ex brother in law was a pencil punching Army Reserve Lt. Colonel, commanding a processing base in the mid-east,
no Iraq or Afghanistan.
He bragged about making a big group of Marines eat outside the mess hall, sitting in the sand.
They refused to leave their rifles outside, and he refused to let them eat inside.

I later told my wife, he thinks he won.
He didn't.
Those guys still kept their weapons, and they ate. And he just reinforced the differences between men returning from the fight,
and management types who are just scared of a gun.

Then there is this gem.

This was a rather bossy U.S. Army Major who we were tasked with protecting. Long story short she thought she was pretty hot stuff and fully equal of any of the people who were on her protection detail. We ended up in a remote province at a place where the locals were only being friendly to our faces and there was no doubt they were insurgents once they were out of our sight.

This hot shot Major, who insisted that she was just as capable somehow managed to get roughly 80-100 miles from the main U.S. base without a magazine in her sidearm (her only weapon) and no spare mags. Basically she was totally incompetent.

Funny thing is, none of us had any spare mags for her, as we don't carry Berettas.




Another Big Army Classic!

First I was discreetly trying to get these soldiers attention. We had been loaned out to provide protection/overwatch (I won't go into detail why the conventional Army and others need to be protected...)

Anyways, I was trying to tell the blonde SGT shown in the center of the pic that they cannot just leave their weapons unattended in their vehicles, since were were in a small town in a province in a Iraq and they were just asking for the iraqi police to steal their weapons or have them used against them. It was not a matter of IF, it was only a matter of WHEN some Iraqi grabbed one.

I was trying to be discreet, so as not to embarrass her. She thought I was motioning for her, because I wanted to hit on her..

The other thing I wanted to tell her was that as an NCO she was not exactly setting a great example since her 82nd Airborne patch was on UPSIDE DOWN....



I think I will pass on getting my weapons training from the conventional Military...

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Amen...

Great pictures..

The AMU would be my only exception. Seen some good, basic dudes help out a bunch from those fellas.

DB,

This sounds pretty typical. I am very glad to hear the Marines did what they did.

Due to the nature of our assignments, we were exempt from such jackassery but the problem was that when we were eating at regular U.S. DEFACs, the guards did not know this and would insist that we unload our weapons. Usually we just had our G19s with us anyways. I told my guys rather than get into a contest of egos, either unload and play their game, or wear your gun concealed, and hide your ID, and just show your regular ID, aka blend in. It was easier than butting heads with retards on power trips. Besides the odds of getting into a gunfight in the chowhall were about zip.


The more I dealt with the conventional military, the more I felt bad for the guys still in. The crap like your ex bro-in-law pulled is sadly pretty typical and indicative of a changing of the culture from warriors to career minded self absorbed twats who hate guys who actually do bad things to bad people for a living.

The AMU is outstanding!

They are not at all indicative of the military across the board. One of the guys I worked with overseas came from AMU, Cris Murray. He and MSG Holland developed the 6.8 SPC. Cris was a wealth of info and a great mentor on all things related to running the various embassy armories we were tasked with running.

They also for a long time have had a hand in USPSA and have had some rock stars come out of there like Julie Golob, who now shoots for S&W.

The AMU and USPSA style skills/weapons manipulations is what they should be teaching from day one.

I don't know anyone under rthe age of 60 who readily admits to carrying a 1911

Please feel free to repost this message wherever you can. It must be repeated again and again, until it reaches every 1911 pistol user.

It reached every 1911 user about 30 years ago.

Yes, you do, and I do

It reached every 1911 user about 30 years ago.

... except maybe for those rocket surgeons who, in more recent years, have shot themselves through ignorance, and the others who I fear are yet to follow them.

I don't know anyone under rthe age of 60 who readily admits to carrying a 1911

Loaded Chamber? COCKED-AND-LOCKED ONLY!

If a 1911 pistol is to be carried with a loaded chamber, LET'S BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS:

Condition One (loaded chamber, hammer cocked, thumb safety engaged = "Cocked-and-Locked") is the ONLY way authorized by the US Army Training Manual to carry a 1911 pistol with a LOADED CHAMBER, to be ready for immediate combat. You'll also see this carry method recommended in owners manuals provided by 1911 pistol manufacturers.

Condition Three (loaded magazine, empty chamber, hammer fully forward) is certainly the safest carry method, and is the standard way authorized by the US Army Training Manual to carry a 1911 pistol, when immediate combat is not anticipated. But, it takes more to ready the pistol for firing

HOWEVER, Condition Two (loaded chamber, hammer fully forward) is actually DANGEROUS. Should the hammer get snagged on something, drawn back to just short of the half-cock notch, then released, testing has shown that it can fire the cartridge at least three times out of five. Both the thumb safety and grip safety have been rendered useless when the pistol is in Condition Two.

An UNSAFE variation of Condition Two involves using the hammer's half-cock notch (sometimes misleadingly called a "safety notch") instead of lowering the hammer fully forward. Again, the thumb safety and grip safety are rendered useless. The DANGER comes from what is known as a FALSE HALF-COCK, which is created when both the hammer and trigger are clumsily manipulated simultaneously while attempting to lower the hammer into the half-cock notch, such that the tip of the half-cock notch gets precariously balanced on the tip of the sear. Then, a slight jarring of the pistol can cause the hammer to fall the rest of the way and fire the cartridge. This is not theoretical; it has happened.

Please feel free to repost this message wherever you can. It must be repeated again and again, until it reaches every 1911 pistol user.

Then there is this gem.

This was a rather bossy U.S. Army Major who we were tasked with protecting. Long story short she thought she was pretty hot stuff and fully equal of any of the people who were on her protection detail. We ended up in a remote province at a place where the locals were only being friendly to our faces and there was no doubt they were insurgents once they were out of our sight.

This hot shot Major, who insisted that she was just as capable somehow managed to get roughly 80-100 miles from the main U.S. base without a magazine in her sidearm (her only weapon) and no spare mags. Basically she was totally incompetent.

Funny thing is, none of us had any spare mags for her, as we don't carry Berettas.




Another Big Army Classic!

First I was discreetly trying to get these soldiers attention. We had been loaned out to provide protection/overwatch (I won't go into detail why the conventional Army and others need to be protected...)

Anyways, I was trying to tell the blonde SGT shown in the center of the pic that they cannot just leave their weapons unattended in their vehicles, since were were in a small town in a province in a Iraq and they were just asking for the iraqi police to steal their weapons or have them used against them. It was not a matter of IF, it was only a matter of WHEN some Iraqi grabbed one.

I was trying to be discreet, so as not to embarrass her. She thought I was motioning for her, because I wanted to hit on her..

The other thing I wanted to tell her was that as an NCO she was not exactly setting a great example since her 82nd Airborne patch was on UPSIDE DOWN....



I think I will pass on getting my weapons training from the conventional Military...

So how many people are you saying shot themselves in the last 12 months because they carried a 1911 in Condition 2?