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MIGA! Build the wall!

Don't worry. Should I receive any messages accepting my offer, I will not disclose them. Not in this hostile environment.

gitem 12,

You don't know even ONE Texas Ranger, do you?
(MOST of our Rangers carry a PAIR of 1911 pistols.)

And YEP, our Rangers are just as dedicated/tough/deadly as their legend says that they are.
(ALL that bothers me in 2019 about the Rangers is that to me, at 72YY, they mostly look too young to BE a Ranger. = Old age ain't for sissies.)

yours, tex

Or is really not at liberty to say...

Maybe I’m mistaken , but I thought in the real world , people who truly weren’t at liberty to say , didn’t go flapping gums about it .


Probably just me being confused though .

jmd025,

Pardon me for saying that you are WRONG. - Many or most of us old soldiers, sailors, LEOs, Marines, USAF vets, etc. have MANY things that we cannot talk about. - Personally, I prefer saying, "I cannot talk about that." or "no comment" to saying "NOYFB",which is the other obvious alternative.
(I've been retired since 2006 & I still cannot discuss any number of diverse subjects from my AD era, even though it was long ago.)

MANY of us "old-timers" still cannot reveal where/when/in what job (and in some cases, not even what our MOS/AFSC & "job title" was) that we served because "NDA" have no expiration date.. - I know of a case where a former E-7 was "visited by government agents" & "strongly cautioned" for talking about his usual duties in "a place far away" & more than 5 years before.
(It just so happens that I was stationed in that area & as far as I know NOTHING very sensitive, much less classified, was being done by any of the "allied forces training group" members.)

yours, tex

Or says, "I'm not at liberty to say..." because they want to appear to be something they never were.

ExC, I of course no nothing of your service, but, did learn from my Gramps [1940-1981, WW-II, Kor, Viet] who retired a roguey old ornery E-9 SGM that carrying a 1911 cocked and locked on a loaded chamber was the way they should be carried if you figure on using the damn thing. he had just retrieved it and it's leather holster from an old cedar chest of drawers, iirc it was a Colt or Springfield 45 ACP, his issue pistol.

I was 8 or 9 years old in Gramps' bedroom standing at his gun cabinets when that lesson was taught, he then swung his old big hand pointing across his rack of guns, M-1's, 30-06's and 30-30 hunting rifles, with a brace of 12 and 20 gauge shotguns, as well as his dads old '94 32-40 WCF, he reached down and pinched my chin pulling my face up, looked me dead in the eyes and said, "every weapon here is loaded, don't EVER! touch them" you want to shoot, come get me, and we'll go shoot! yessir I squeaked.

Something about lessons taught like that are NEVER forgotten, and that was near 50 years ago.

I can't imagine you ever squeaking lmao!

OH CHIT Buddy, I went weak in the knees, I was face to face with the Devil.

You missed my point , but made yours .. it’s ok . I somewhat agree with you . But I’m far from WRONG.

OP just wants to feel special , therefore he’s gonna hint that he’s some operative then shut it down with “not at liberty to say “ , because there probably nothing TO say .

JMD, I hope the OP returns, I have a question for him about the unknown/spoken.

I've never understood why a person brings up a subject just to say "I'm not at liberty to say....whatever."

just sayin'

or not at liberty to be sayin'

if you follow what I'm sayin' not sayin'

gunner500,

Sounds like your grandfather KNEW how to get a young boy's attention. = FYI, my grandfather said something similar to me when I was about 8YO.

Comment: My grandfather passed away in 1962. SADLY, I must tell you that I doubt that hardly any young boys will see the equal of your grandfather or mine. = They seem to all be gone now.- Such men really were "the GREATEST generation".
(Fwiw, my grandfather was born in 1873 & was a survivor of the last Comanche Murder Raid into Northeast Texas. - He was about "a babe at the breast" at the time.)

Btw, when I was 12YO he gave me a 12-gauge single barrel "Long Tom" so that I "could hunt with the men". I felt VERY "grown up" that day.
(As it's nothing more than a "hardware store shotgun" by RIVER ARMS of MS, I seriously doubt that I could sell that old shotgun for more than 20 bucks but money wouldn't buy it, as it was once his & now mine. = It's PRICELESS & in my will.)
I'll never forget what my mother said when I came home carrying it, "Daddy, you didn't give that CHILD a REAL gun, did you? PLEASE tell me that you didn't." - My grandfather said, "Glynn, I gave it to him because he's going to hunt with the men. He's plenty old enough to hunt. This is men's business."
(As my Grandfather was THE family patriarch, Mother said nothing else about it & I got to keep MY gun. - It's one of my few TREASURES.)

yours, tex

LMAO! My four boys got the same treatment. Three of them grew up to be career cops or soldiers and thus far, haven't shot anybody that didn't need shootin'.
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SargeMO,

Your sons are LUCKY, imVho.

Fwiw, when I was issued/carried a 1911A1 every day as a 31D35, I carried it loaded in a LH Bianchi holster & "cocked & locked".

yours, tex

To All,

To me, SHOW, rather than TELL me, what a CF rifle will DO if used carelessly, my grandfather set a gallon "tin" can of ketchup on top of a fencepost & shot it with my "new to me" deer-rifle when I was just 14YO & not long before his passing.

WOW!!, was all that I could think to say, when the ketchup (the COLOR of fresh blood, btw) went all over the yard. - The "tin" can EXPLODED.

yours, tex

If you all were to re-read what I actually wrote about what I'm not at liberty to do, you would find that it was:
"I am at a distinct disadvantage when discussing the particulars raised in this thread, because I am not at liberty to say in print how it is I have come to know all that I have said here, or to provide further details."
I realize that this can leave me looking like a BS artist to those who don't pay close attention to what they read.

But, notice the words, "particulars raised" and "in print." Those words are important. The subject I originally brought up was Cocked-and-Locked versus variations of Condition Two, and the risks associated with carrying in Condition Two. The "particulars raised" were the supporting statistics and the (intentionally vague but still illustrative) examples, the surrounding details of which are revealing but sensitive. While I am at liberty to verbally discuss those details, "I am not at liberty to say in print how it is I have come to know all that I have said here, or to provide further details" beyond what I have already written. Accept that, or not.

If you should have some interest in hearing additional details, and how it is I know them, there is always NRA Indianapolis later this month. The offer remains open.

What is it that you are sharing is exciting and/or new information? The 1911 has been around for a long time. The manual of arms for the 1911 got worked out a long time ago. Your original post wasn't exactly a set of stone tablets in a burning bush. You don't have to be a super secret squirrel ninja to know anything that you have posted so the cloak and dagger thing just comes off as ridiculous.

EXCHIPY=LAWYER. Building an information data base to either help or hurt someone. It would have to be one or the other.