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I am not particularly a fan of Johnstone... we have him to thank for the felt sole ban... but he is at least on the side of putting salmon in the rivers again. Medred wrongly states there have not been any studies on Sports Fish Value to the State and local areas, but there have been many, just not done BY the State.


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The target
BY CRAIGMEDRED ON APRIL 8, 2019 • ( 6 COMMENTS )
the target
Karl Johnstone/ADF&G photo

Yet again Alaska appears to be gearing up for a big fight focused on one of the state’s smallest commercial fisheries.

The United Fishermen of Alaska, one of the most politically powerful organizations in the north, over the weekend posted an “Action Alert” calling on its members to oppose the appointment of Karl Johnstone based on his actions when he served the BOF (Board of Fisheries) from 2008-2015.”

Appointed to the Board again on the first of the month by Gov. Mike Dunleavy, Johnstone this weeks starts confirmation hearings before the Alaska Legislature.

A retired Alaska Superior Court judge, Johnstone was generally well-respected by the majority of commercial, personal-use, subsistence and sport fishermen across the breadth of the state when he earlier served on the Board, but he stirred emotions in Cook Inlet.

The Inlet supports a comparatively small commercial fishery over which Alaskans fight a lot.

The Alaska Department of Fish and Game is projecting a 2019, statewide, commercial harvest of 213.2 million salmon. About 7.2 million of those fish, or about 3 percent of the total harvest, is expected to come from the Inlet.

And the Upper Inlet – where the real battle is focused on harvests of red (sockeye), silver (coho), and king (Chinook) salmon – is forecast to have a commercial catch of about 3.5 million or less than 2 percent of the statewide harvest.

But the Inlet is where the UFA – now led by Matt Alward, a commercial net maker from the community of Homer at the foot of the Inlet – appears to have drawn the line on Johnstone.

Fish wars
The stage for the National Geographic television show “Alaska Fish Wars,” the Inlet is a 220-mile-long finger of the Gulf of Alaska stabbing into the urban underbelly of the state. Lapping first at the doorstep of Anchorage, it washes north to the edge of the Matanuska-Susitna Borough.

Together the two areas comprise the Anchorage metro area home to more than half the state’s population. A large number of them are non-commercial fishermen of some sort, and they are regularly in disagreement with the fewer than 1,300 commercial fishermen holding 569 commercial drift gillnet permits and 734 set gillnet permits that allow them to catch and sell millions of Inlet salmon.

Depending almost entirely on the size of sockeye salmon returns in the Inlet, the commercial fishermen take anywhere from 75 percent to 90 percent of the returning salmon. Last year was an abysmal season for commercial fishermen, and they harvested only 1.3 million – a mere 39 percent of the 10-year average.

Non-commercial, personal-use dipnetters caught about 390,000, 74 percent of the previous year but less than 50 percent of the peak harvests of mid-decade. Anglers are estimated to have bagged less than 500,000, but accurate numbers on that catch aren’t yet available.

In his last term on the Board, Johnstone ran afoul of the United Cook Inlet Drifters Association (UCIDA), the most powerful of the region’s fishing groups, when the Board refused to interview commercial fisherman, commercial-fishermen favorite, and one-time UCIDA executive director Roland Maw for the job of Commissioner of the Alaska Department of Fish and Game.

Johnstone was at the time the chairman of the Board. His chairmanship ended shortly thereafter.

“The Board of Fisheries made a mockery of a public process and the law when it refused, without comment, to interview (Maw)…,” the Alaska Journal of Commerce charged after Maw was told to go fish. “(And) when Johnstone resigned, (then-Gov. Bill) Walker tapped Maw to replace him. The move is stunning, and not just for the Hollywood plot twist. Maw is a far stronger commercial fishing advocate than any of the other members of the Board who come from the industry, and replacing Johnstone with Maw reverses the balance of power on the seven-member board. The sport fish majority led by Johnstone instituted radical changes to Cook Inlet fisheries at its 2011 and 2014 meetings. After the 2011 meeting, Johnstone said that the allocative decisions made in some cases were worth ‘millions of dollars.”

Maw didn’t last long. He resigned when it was discovered he was claiming to be a resident of Montana as well of Alaska. He is still awaiting trial on charges of stealing Alaska Permanent Fund Dividends (PFDs) to which Montana residents are not entitled.

Despite Maws resignation, the Board’s reorientation toward putting more salmon in the nets of commercial fishermen in the Inlet remained. UCIDA is worried, one of the stars of the former “Fish Wars” show argues, that Johnstone could help shift the Board’s emphasis toward putting more fish in Inlet creeks and rivers.

Economics
Commercial fishermen believe that letting large numbers of salmon escape to spawn instead of getting caught in nets leads to “overescapement” which leads to fewer fish in the future. The scientific evidence for that idea, except at massive levels of escapements, is weak.

“Although overescapement was easy to detect, the biological and fishery-related effects of overescapement were more difficult to detect and assess,” a state study concluded. Yield in some cases fell, the study said, but “we did not observe long-term stock collapse of any of the 40 stocks (studied) that could be attributed to overescapement.”

Canadian scientists even more bluntly rejected the idea, stating that though they found “evidence of a decrease in spawning efficiency at high spawning numbers, there is no evidence for anything like a ‘collapse’ or ‘near-collapse’ of production following runs with very large numbers of spawners.”

And the Wild Salmon Center warned against “the concept of ‘overescapement’ being used as a justification for increased commercial harvest of salmon.”

Past decisions to put more fish in freshwater when Johnstone was on the Board did work largely in favor of anglers who help support large and what were steadily growing sport fisheries in both the Mat-Su and on the Kenai Peninsula.

Good freshwater fishing for salmon was in turn good for tourism businesses, and Johnstone has been something of an advocate for maximum yield management of state fisheries on both the salmon conservation and economic fronts.

In an evolving global economy, University of Alaska Fairbanks Keith Criddle observed in a 2014 study on the Economic Importance of Wild Salmon, “the marginal net economic benefits of sport harvests can be substantial and may exceed the marginal net economic benefits of commercial catches.”

Assessing value is, however, difficult because, as Criddle went on to note, “there are no region-wide estimates of these (sport fish) values.”

Fish and Game annually reports the value of commercial harvests, but makes little attempt to calculate the same for sport, personal-use and subsistence fisheries. Commercial fishermen have opposed economic studies of sportfish values since a 1987 a study concluded anglers in 1986 spent more than $127 million ($288 million in 2019 dollars) on sport fishing in the region, primarily in streams around Cook Inlet.

Sport fishing has grown significantly since 1987. Both Bass Pro and Cabelas, the country’s two biggest outdoor retail chains, opened stores in Anchorage as the outdoor sports boomed.

The Cook Inlet harvest was last year valued at $11 million, but it was a bad year. The 10-year average is $31 million. But salmon prices have largely flatlined in recent years.

“Because farmed Atlantic and Pacific salmon compete with wild Pacific salmon in global markets, the economic value of wild Pacific salmon and the economic value of farmed salmon are jointly determined,” Criddle concluded.

“Over the past three decades, consumers have been willing to purchase ever-increasing quantities of salmon, but only at lower prices. At the same time, technological innovation in salmon farming has allowed unit production costs to fall fast enough to keep pace with market clearing prices, and it has been profitable to increase total farmed production. This has been unambiguously bad news for the producers of wild salmon….

“Barring radical changes in the organization of wild salmon fisheries, the long run prospects are for declining net revenues to commercial fishermen and their communities.”

Commercial fisheries in Alaska have been saved from some of the consequences of this shift by unprecedented salmon returns to since the 1980s when the annual commercial harvest topped 100 million for the first time in decades. It continued to grow over the years that followed thanks to a warmer North Pacific Ocean.

Since the shift began, Alaska salmon have been an estimated three times more productive than in the 1946-75 period, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). During the five years “The Blob” was cooking the North Pacific, Alaska commercial harvests averaged close to 205 million fish per year.

Fisheries scientists have long been skeptical such high harvests can be maintained, expecting them to shrink again either because of a return of a colder phase in the Pacific or global-warming rendering the waters too warm for maximum salmon productivity.

But to date Alaska has, overall, enjoyed decades of the good-new days despite some regional blips as in the Inlet last year, and yet they fight over fish as much as ever.

Didn’t read you link so there’s that.

Heard the last minute of sound off program this am. Host strongly anti Johnstone.

That sport fish value is Ricky the liar geese stuff, IMO.
I’ve heard him spew.

It’s code for comm fish guysAre bad.

The link is just what I posted...

Cannot remember a move made by Walker I liked during his four years...

This part is some of the meatiest:
In his last term on the Board, Johnstone ran afoul of the United Cook Inlet Drifters Association (UCIDA), the most powerful of the region’s fishing groups, when the Board refused to interview commercial fisherman, commercial-fishermen favorite, and one-time UCIDA executive director Roland Maw for the job of Commissioner of the Alaska Department of Fish and Game.

Johnstone was at the time the chairman of the Board. His chairmanship ended shortly thereafter.

“The Board of Fisheries made a mockery of a public process and the law when it refused, without comment, to interview (Maw)…,” the Alaska Journal of Commerce charged after Maw was told to go fish. “(And) when Johnstone resigned, (then-Gov. Bill) Walker tapped Maw to replace him. The move is stunning, and not just for the Hollywood plot twist. Maw is a far stronger commercial fishing advocate than any of the other members of the Board who come from the industry, and replacing Johnstone with Maw reverses the balance of power on the seven-member board. The sport fish majority led by Johnstone instituted radical changes to Cook Inlet fisheries at its 2011 and 2014 meetings. After the 2011 meeting, Johnstone said that the allocative decisions made in some cases were worth ‘millions of dollars.”

Maw didn’t last long. He resigned when it was discovered he was claiming to be a resident of Montana as well of Alaska. He is still awaiting trial on charges of stealing Alaska Permanent Fund Dividends (PFDs) to which Montana residents are not entitled.

Despite Maws resignation, the Board’s reorientation toward putting more salmon in the nets of commercial fishermen in the Inlet remained. UCIDA is worried, one of the stars of the former “Fish Wars” show argues, that Johnstone could help shift the Board’s emphasis toward putting more fish in Inlet creeks and rivers.

I’ve long thought that the “inshore” fisheries close to population centers that are most popular and accessible to sport fishers should be reserved for sport fishing. They bring FAR more dollars into the local economic food chain and those dollars are spread out through the local communities from gas stations to hotels, airlines, tackleshops, grocery stores, restaurants etc. Areas accessible to sport fishermen are limited, whereas virtually everywhere is accessible to the commercial guys. Gill nets are also a schitty ass way to fish in mixed stock fisheries where escapement is a driving factor. “Over-escapement” causes collapse? LMFAO....more fish to gravel means less fish? What mutherfuckingidiot took that horseshit and thought it’d stick? Overfishing and bycatch by commercial fishing certainly does but proffering the lunacy that killing as many fish before they can spawn results in more fish sounds like something a red faced, powdered nose commercial fisherman would be hollering from a barstool as he blows a seasons worth of earnings after a booze and coke filled weekend at the bar. Unfortunately for sport fishers they’re not as “organized” as the commercial “union racketeers” and don’t buy nearly as many politicians as the commercial guys can. 😉

That Maw guy sounds like the perfect face for Cook Inlet gillnetters....hopefully he’ll check out some 3rd grade level science books from the prison library. Fugging scumbag.

My opinion is that since charter boats are bound by sport fishing regulations they are NOT commercial fishing.

“UCIDA is worried, one of the stars of the former “Fish Wars” show argues, that Johnstone could help shift the Board’s emphasis toward putting more fish in Inlet creeks and rivers.”

Oh dear God....the nerve of some people...thinking that allowing fish to get to gravel is how you get more fish? Don’t they know that by killing every god damned fish is how you get more fish. 😂 How dare a single fish gets by the gill nets!

The Exxon Valdez was one of the worst things that ever happened to commercial salmon fishermen. They could not fish vast areas of Alaska for one season... and not a great season, either. But the rivers were so flooded with fish it was incredible! Adding to the dilemma of people actually seeing what a serious run looks like was their "over-escapement" mantra. Doubling down on stupid they kept talking about how horrible each run parented by that season (1989) would be. Every run in every area came back in incredible size with monster fish (of the fish that stay in freshwater after hatching) for two generations.

At Statehood fish traps were outlawed. They are probably the best answer for managing a mixed stock river like the Kenai, which is the primary Cook Inlet fishery. It would allow ALL kings to be returned to the river and reds to be kept in a smooth distribution across the run times. It would solve a lot of problems in the same way many other fisheries have done so across Alaska.

SitkaDeer, I agree. Fish traps are worlds better in mixed stock or selective fisheries than gill nets, they’ve been strongly opposed down here by......guess who?......if you guessed the non-tribal commercial fisherman’s racketeering association you’d have guessed correctly.

Anything to prevent “over escapement”.

Regarding the Exxon Valdez.....I remember the wailing and grinding of teeth from the commercial guys. A lot of those same guys made more money that year than they ever made, even in their best season and they never even fished. 😉. They took the government payouts and hired their vessel out to help the cleanup, neither of which I have an issue with considering the circumstances.

Over escapement....lmfao. 😂.....we can only dream of putting too many fish in the rivers to make more fish. I’m sure it’d be detrimental to every other living organism in the ecosystem that relies on those fish. Bears so fat they can’t fit into their den, extra nutrients in the rivers, trout that are so gorged on fish eggs that they’ve sworn off red meat and became vegetarians and so many other catastrophic consequences too numerous to list. 😉

Net fisheries are really tough on fish. They made limit seiners for a reason and look what happened.

Charter boats are in limbo. They claim we are commercial but want us to play by sport rules with sport allocations. Charters have quietly been getting very organized and funded though. Comm fish is used to getting its way but those days are coming to an end.

The charter industry is booming though. Here in SE permits keep climbing and climbing. Made an offer on another permit and it was gone with a full price offer in a few days at a record price.

Over escapement?
What the heck.
Can anyone please explain that to me in a way that my 9th grade science teacher would have accepted?
His reaction would have been to shred them for their lack of established scientific process in making their theory.

Primary claim is too many eggs will hatch, putting so many hungry little mouths into the system that they will not prosper. Stunting will put them at huge disadvantage and they will never catch up, coming back in low numbers and small size.

Except it has not worked that way before.

I would like to see the commercial claim get a court hearing. Actually it probably has... It just seems wrong on the surface, and worse the deeper you go. I go with "glorified water taxi."

Convoluted logic. That would require having extensive knowledge of the carrying capacity of the watershed in question. I seriously doubt they have that.

There are too many variables with unknown effects. One buzzword that hung around for awhile was "spawning efficiency" but that question answers itself and several other questions. So the increase in spawning salmon means the returns are not as high per spawning fish. So what? There goes your "over-recruitment" claim.

Science really isn't science in their view unless you know the answer before you start... and it backs their needs.

Someone is trying to throw sheit at the wall with the over-escapement. ODFW uses the term escapement as a good thing when speaking of setting hunting season dates, duration, and restrictions.
Tells me all I need to know.

Conclusion akin to climate change is a non arguable fact.
Proof positive that scientists can be just as dishonest and agenda driven as anyone else.

There is so much going on below and above the water in these cases and the managers have done shut a horrible job of maintaining fish stocks that it certainly looks like it should be someone else's turn to give it a try.

Whatever you do, don't shut the hatcheries down.

Agreed! There’s so much wrong that finding a place to start would be daunting. I’d start with the by-catch and require that salmon, halibut, cod, etc be kept and processed onboard the trawlers so as to be marketable. The bycatch from large trawlers is incredible and dumping dead salmon or halibut over the side because it’s not the targeted species makes no sense to me and is counterintuitive to conservation. If they were made to keep it and process the fish properly they might lose storage in their fish holds and they might not be able to make as many McFish sandwiches or meet their corporate mandated numbers but they would NOT be allowed to sell it, instead it could offset the IFQ’s of those on the “list” for the corresponding species. After a certain number or tonnage of bycatch is met then that vessel is done fishing and returns to port to give their bycatch to the smaller IFQ owners. Some of those smaller operators might never need to leave port all season but still make money as if their season was great. The trawler might be targeting pollock for the McFish sandwich but if they haul in a load of say King salmon then they would be required to care for those fish FIRST so they bring fair market value to someone holding that IFQ. Any discrepancy in quality and lower than market price would be the responsibility of the company to make up the difference to the IFQ holders. It would essentially “buy down” the amount of fish left to catch. Observers on every boat with a minimum of 2 and going up from there depending upon the size of the vessel paid for by the trawler but NOT employed by the trawler. Massive fines for the law breakers, so massive that it’s a major disincentive to fug up. Those fines should be reinvested into real fisheries management and/or to buy out the yearly IFQ of individual owner operators of smaller vessels, it would not go to the state or feds! Because of the offset between by-catch and IFQ holders those boats that don’t need to fish because it was done for them means less/no fuel costs and less carbon emissions from the vessels that stay in port. 😉

The by-catch could also be used to support subsistence fishermen during times of depleted returns. I’d also like to see less exportation of our resources to Asia with a cap on the exportation of fish and raw wood products. Asia has an insatiable appetite for everything and they’ll exterminate entire ecosystems to feed their greed. Let those without the natural production of these valuable American resources eat farmed fish and buy finished wood products from us, reopening mills that employ Americans and increasing the standard of living in communities that only have fishing or logging as their primary economic driver.

We need to take care of ourselves first and that includes jealousy guarding our natural resources.

If only they could "manage" mosquitoes.

A lot of your motives and thoughts are sound, unfortunately they run to the naive. And that is not intended as an insult. Salmon do not have IFQs, for example. And we DO NOT want them there either!

The reason draggers do not have to bring in their halibut bycatch is simply because it would then be documented and would reveal the far larger scope than is currently accepted.

The observer program is a joke. The Captain picks the drags they get to look at, for example.

It is complex.

No kidding! Malaria gone in less than a decade!

Hatcheries are fine... UNLESS they are adding humpies and dogs to the mix. How many hundred billion extra humpies are being added to the ocean every year?

Depends on what you consider "extra"


Overall the hatchery system puts in less than 2 billion humpies yearly

Sitka, I don’t take your criticism as an insult because I know that my knowledge of your (Alaska) system of fisheries management is deficient and the system is complex. I was merely spitballing some thoughts, brainstorming if you will. The observer system might be a joke (I’ve heard that from a lot of different guys) but it doesn’t mean that it couldn’t work if it was restructured. There’s so many moving parts that like I said earlier, it’s daunting. I certainly don’t have the answers but I do know that the way it’s structured now in its totality is a joke. Nobody likes change but change is what’s needed for the long term health of the resource.

I do think that transparency has always been lacking because as you said, it would reveal a far larger scope than is currently accepted. That’s science for ya.....ignore the reality and pretend everything is fine. When it’s realized that it’s not fine blame the sport fishers, increase license fees, shorten seasons and limits and claim a win. 🙄

PWS state hatcheries put out a third of the entire state? I find that hard to accept.

King salmon are in short supply and they count them by the hundreds. Humpies are way above any historical number and they want to pump out more cheap fish...

Only one hatchery in SE produces pinks.

Hatcheries don't produce kings because they lose money on them, it costs too much to raise them vs what they make back when they return. Unfortunately no hatchery will produce just coho/kings without some outside support from a hatchery that produces pinks/chums or government funding (Little Port Walter).

There is a guy that keeps trying to start a king hatchery at Baranof warm springs, he wants to do something like 100 million kings. Keeps getting rejected and gets a lot of opposition from locals because "they don't want to look at a hatchery". It is a good spot for a hatchery and it could be successful.

Port Armstrong is doing something groundbreaking with their coho production. They send half their production to saltwater before the fish smolt, at around 5 grams. The limiting factor for raising coho is freshwater rearing space. If they return well, it could mean that hatcheries could ramp up their coho production without changing their freshwater rearing space. This will be the first year for a return from about a 2.5 million smolt release of these fish so it will be interesting to see how they return.

Didn't you also mention that one observer couldn't even recognize Salmon?

It was a deckload of halibut she could not identify... but the crew promised to show her a halibut when they saw one...

Releasing coho smolt straight to the salt seems like a good idea that could work eventually and allow hatcheries to produce many coho for a reasonable amount of money. Back in the late 80's to early 90's I spent a lot of time in Karluk lagoon on the West side of Kodiak Island. At one time 2/3rds of the red salmon pack in the world was coming from this 20 mile long river. When returns inevitably started to fall off they built a cannery but located it on the lagoon which is tidal. The smolt were released straight into the lagoon as they did not understand why a lake was necessary for reds. When I was there 80+ years later there were a few red salmon that returned to the lagoon every year and successfully spawned in the brackish lagoon right in front of the long gone hatchery. I spoke with fish and game when they were beach seining some sockeye there to sample. They said that they would use the fish for brood stock if there was a low enough incidence of some virus that sockeye carry naturally. Speaking to the guys the following year they said there was too much of the virus to use these unique intertidally spawning fish for stocking other rivers.

That virus is IHN. Coho and kings are susceptible to BKD, and it can be a real problem.

If the powers that be would just spend an hour in this forum section, all the worlds problems would be solved.

And yet you still haven't gotten a clue...….

Crysgale is simply doing her best.

Hint..................

If I was looking for one I wouldn’t look here, or expect it to come from you.

You wouldn't understand it if I wrote it backwards on your forehead.

It wouldn’t take my best on my worst day to keep up with these drunk, drooling, sorry cock suckers.

Crysgale...it's your Imagination,simply Pretend with it as you must.

No need to get horned up and burst outta yet another closet.

Hint...................

Oh, look. Big surprise yet another stalker.

Let’s sum this up for the slow ones in the group. And let’s face it. That is this group.

Only Trannys like yourself get horned up about this place.

Crysgale,

Rest assured that THE last thing I'd wanna do,is steal the "thunder" of your Imagination and Pretend. Hint. Congratulations?!?

The only thing you can talk about in the firsthand,are your Homoerotic Fantasies and it is hilarious,that you are powerless in the refrain. Hint.

Bless your heart....................

Oh, boy. Here we go.

Imagine, pretend, bless your heart, hint, grin, congratulations?!?!?, rope, slack, and bless your heart.

What’s next? You aren’t forced to guess. Impress me with your job at the glory hole, and we all know you will be asking for pics. I bet you post a bunch yourself without anyone even asking. Hell, I bet you can’t not post a pic. I dare you.

Make sure to recycle all the old bullshit over and over. These drunk a-holes probably forgot about some of it.

Reverse was the only "move" you had.

Hint..............

Y'all need to stop using the quote function on this bitter, moronic, dusty-hcunted, bitch.

Thank you.

Her best...is simply fhuqking hilarious!

Hint..................

LOL Crysgale

Yeah, because the same [bleep] over and over is so brilliant. Only the drunks that can’t remember find it amusing or original.

Crysgale,

You are doing "GREAT".

Hint....................

Do something for your liberal self, and just don’t read them. Don’t depend on others to do something so easy.

And you are impressive.

I’m sure to someone, but they are a real sorry SOB.

Easily amused. Which is surprising no one.

Let’s skip to the “I live through you vicariously” part.

Get your crayons out you sorry SOB’s.

You will want to write down how much “vacation” he has a year. I don’t want to spoil it for him, stay tuned. Watch the news at 11 won’t be far away.

You need to be nicer to this guy. Looks like you ran him off. I was looking forward to his same old BS to pad my post count.

Take care of your eyes, they're the only balls you have.

Crysgale,

If/when you step Outdoors...simply start a Thread.

Hint..................

If anyone was looking for balls, a map leading to your mouth would give them a lot of options to choose from.

You do the same when you get a clue. We all know that thread isn’t coming. But rest assured no one else here will beat you to it.

Crysgale...your Wanton Man Lust is boundless in it's enthusiasm. Congratulations?!?

Hint...............

Keep telling yourself that.

Haven’t seen “Congratulations?!?” or “hint” enough yet.

Crysgale,

If/when you step Outdoors...simply start a Thread.

Hint..................

Really pathetic attempt to disrupt, claiming by dissociation some great insight. Yet you have never added a single comment to a single thread showing even the slightest grasp of anything. Time to quit the pathetic macho bullshit and either show you offer something of value, or quit wasting electrons here.

I’ll tell you what you arrogant jerk off. I’ll do whatever I want.

And you keep thinking that statements like the one above have any business coming from a jerk off like you.

Crysgale,

Nothing,ain't "something".

Hint................

And you are not [bleep].

OMG!!!!

An internet troll no one knows just said a mean thing! I need my safe space! Sniff!

If you are not careful I will tell your mommy what you are doing in her basement and she will unplug your computer.

Probably put you in time out, too.

Crysgale,

I'm the one doing all of the things you DREAM about.

Film at 11:00.

Hint...................

I could see how a chump like you could think that’s mean.

So you’d say “I’m doing gggrrreat” I’m sure.

I am serious! Mommy will kick your ass!

Crysgale,

I'm simply tying up Owner 2's now,so I can land more Chrome in a single outing,than you've seen in your "life".

Hint................

"Convince" yourself that you don't read my every word and gawk every Splendid Pixel.

Hint............

Tying knots. I’m impressed.


Surprise. And here we are at the pics.

Crysgale...you be sure to set upon your couchbound kchunt and read about it,while marveling the Splendid Pixels.

Hint...............

You be sure to concern yourself with what I do and don’t do, Big Stalker.

Start a Thread,if/when you leave the house. Hint.

Fair to middlin' day and covered both ends of the spectrum.




Still tough to whoop a Brass Clacker.



Hint................

I have been anxiously awaiting your approval to start a thread.

You've been anxiously awaiting my Post and are busy ogling the Splendid Pixels...because it's the only "move" you "have".

Bless your heart.

Hint.............

Your thoughts and posts are as deep as your gene pool.

Crysgale,

You haven't the "means","abilities" or "comprehension" to begin to keep pace...and it is funnier than fhuqk,that you brazenly quantify same obliviously.

Hint.................

Stalker, you should embrace your limitations, and that’s a lot to embrace.

Crysgale,

You haven't the "means","abilities" or "comprehension" to begin to keep pace...and it is funnier than fhuqk,that you brazenly quantify same obliviously.

Hint.................

Stalker, embrace your limitations, and that’s a lot to embrace.

Crysgale,

You haven't the "means","abilities" or "comprehension" to begin to keep pace...and it is funnier than fhuqk,that you brazenly quantify same obliviously.

Hint.................

You don’t say.

Crysgale,

Be sure to set upon your couchbound kchunt and pontificate about the Outdoors.

Hint.......................

You always post the same [bleep], but 3 of the exact same is a level of creative I haven’t seen around here.

Sober up.

Sounds Clydesdale nuts dropped he’s getting braver.. before you know it he will challenging people to a good ol fashion a$$ whooping..

Stop fantasizing about my nuts dropping in your mouth, Pervert.

You clowns aren’t worth the effort, even though there wouldn’t need to be much effort put into it.

Crysgale,

How's the view from the couch? Congratulations?!?

'Nother slow morning here.



Hint................

More congratulations. Haven’t seen that one before.

There is a lot about you that is slow.