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Rimfire practice rifle #13727768 04/09/19
Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 35 Ontario, Canada Blairich OP Campfire Greenhorn
OP Blairich Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 35 Ontario, Canada	I have a marlin 39a which feels in weight and handling like my deer hunting rifle. I have a Winchester model 70 feather weight that I would also like to practice for. Which bolt action rimfire would you recommend to practice with? Something in the 500$ range. I have been looking at but have yet to handle the cz455 line. Thanks

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Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13727802 04/09/19
Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 7,920 Rochester, N.H. USA R RJM Campfire Outfitter
RJM Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 7,920 Rochester, N.H. USA	Any of the CZs, 452, 453, 455 or the new 457 in the American style is what I would recommend. VERY accurate, all steel and wood and a decent trigger that can be improved...and right in your price range... I have the 452 American 17" threaded and it is a great gun to practice with...one of my favorite .22s of all time... Bob If you can not deal with reality, reality will deal with you....

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13727825 04/09/19
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 18,454 OreGONE G GreatWaputi Campfire Ranger
GreatWaputi Campfire Ranger G Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 18,454 OreGONE	Remington 581, Ruger 77/22.

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13727903 04/09/19
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,068 Annapolis, Md. G gnoahhh Campfire Ranger
gnoahhh Campfire Ranger G Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,068 Annapolis, Md.	In addition to the CZ's, I would suggest an older BRNO #1 or #2 also. (Personally I think they're better rifles.) "You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13728012 04/09/19
Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,993 New England K kragman1 Campfire Regular
kragman1 Campfire Regular K Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,993 New England	CZ shortened the length of bolt throw on the new 457's. You might want an older model just for that reason. You may find a used Ruger 77/22 in your price range. Some the Marlins have had pretty full sized stocks too. Work is what you do to finance your real life.....

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Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13728489 04/10/19
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 4,502 Middle Ga K killerv Campfire Tracker
killerv Campfire Tracker K Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 4,502 Middle Ga	77/22 is the closest thing I've shot that feels like a centerfire. A remington 541-t sporter would be a good but expensive option too. I also have a 455 american, to be honest, it'll get you close to the feel you are looking for.

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13728625 04/10/19
Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 845 southern saskatchewan S saskfox Campfire Regular
saskfox Campfire Regular S Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 845 southern saskatchewan	I have a 452 and a Ruger American. They should be good options. The American is quite affordable. I have no complaints about it. The trigger isn't as nice as the 452 but it's ok. I like the action and the safety of the American better. Accuracy wise they are quite similar with their preferred ammo.

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13728667 04/10/19
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 32,124 OMAHA 260Remguy Campfire 'Bwana
260Remguy Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 32,124 OMAHA	The Marlin XT-22VR weighs 7 lbs. without a scope, the same as a long action Winchester 70 FWT. I'm a firm believer in the concept and value of an understudy rifle that is set up to closely match a person's primary center-fire hunting rifle in terms of weight, length, and balance. The understudy rifle concept is the only practical way for most people to get enough practice to develope their shooting skills, but most hunters don't make much effort to practice and their level of shooting skills reflects their effort or lack there of. Francis Sell wrote about the understudy rifle in some of his books. Back in his prime, he was advocating for the 22 Hornet in the Model 70 and the 218 Bee in the Model 65 as understudies for center-fire bolt and lever action rifles. EDIT: I have an XT-22VR and find it to be a reasonably accurate understudy for many bolt action center-fire rifle with a 22" barrel. Last edited by 260Remguy; 04/10/19. Reason: Added comment

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13728750 04/10/19
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,068 Annapolis, Md. G gnoahhh Campfire Ranger
gnoahhh Campfire Ranger G Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,068 Annapolis, Md.	My primary understudy is a Springfield M2. A truly man-sized .22 if there ever was one, and accurate and cool as heck to boot. "You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13728764 04/10/19
Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 17,817 Armpit of midwest H hookeye Campfire Ranger
hookeye Campfire Ranger H Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 17,817 Armpit of midwest	The Rem 541 has a tiny bolt handle. Plus that plastic crap mag sticks out. Had a T-HB. Was not impressed. The 7722 looks good, feels better but has that odd Ruger feel. Like others have mentioned, the CZ feels pretty good. The 455 has a backwards safety though. I have one, and haven't shot it much. Bought another rifle (different) and have yet to trade or sell my CZ...........because it does feel that good.

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Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13728768 04/10/19
Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 17,817 Armpit of midwest H hookeye Campfire Ranger
hookeye Campfire Ranger H Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 17,817 Armpit of midwest	As for understudy rifles..........I'm not sold on that concept. I mix and match all sorts of rifles and don't have a problem. But if one needs an excuse for the Mrs to let you buy another rifle............."understudy" is as good an excuse as any

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13728801 04/10/19
Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 17,817 Armpit of midwest H hookeye Campfire Ranger
hookeye Campfire Ranger H Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 17,817 Armpit of midwest	Took a cheap Mossberg deer gun to zero years ago. Guy w custom BR rig offered me a go w his rifle. Just drove an hr, hands still buzzing from lifted truck. I did .5 at 225 yards. Kinda PO'd the owner. Yup, just a lowly deer hunter that doesn't shoot much (but worked under microscopes for a living). LOL

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13729615 04/10/19
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,900 B benchman Campfire Outfitter
benchman Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,900	Handled a browning a bolt 22mag yesterday. Felt like a centerfire.

Re: Rimfire practice rifle benchman #13729672 04/10/19
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 13,112 Willamette Valley, Oregon P Pharmseller Campfire Outfitter
Pharmseller Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 13,112 Willamette Valley, Oregon	Originally Posted by benchman Handled a browning a bolt 22mag yesterday. Felt like a centerfire. I have two, but in .22 LR. They are as close to a full-sized center fire that I think you’ll find. More accurate than the shooter. They typically go for closer to $700 than $500. P Obey lawful commands. Video interactions. Hold bad cops accountable. Problem solved. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~ Member #547 Join date 3/09/2001

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13729909 04/10/19
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 7,988 Oregon Sheister Campfire Outfitter
Sheister Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 7,988 Oregon	In your price range look at the early Remington 5 teen rifles- 511, 512, 513, 514... the 513T especially has the heavier barrel for a rimfire and should mimic your centerfire pretty closely. The fact they are very accurate will make it a hoot at the range or shooting targets of opportunity like squirrels and rabbits. Should be able to pick one up at a gun show, LGS, or pawn shop somewhere between $150-$400, depending on seller and condition... The early Win 69A's and 75 Sporters are nice also, but are quite a bit lighter than most centerfires. Should be in about the same price range... Bob Never underestimate your ability to overestimate your ability.

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13730019 04/10/19
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,042 In the Swamps DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna
DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,042 In the Swamps	Little bit prejudiced...have a 513T and a 513S...the S model is the schizzle. I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13730485 04/10/19
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 13,937 Kentucky J joken2 Campfire Outfitter
joken2 Campfire Outfitter J Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 13,937 Kentucky	Originally Posted by Blairich I have a marlin 39a which feels in weight and handling like my deer hunting rifle. I have a Winchester model 70 feather weight that I would also like to practice for. Which bolt action rimfire would you recommend to practice with? Something in the 500$ range. I have been looking at but have yet to handle the cz455 line. Thanks The safety on the CZ may take some getting used to as it is backwards -- push forward safety on / pull back to fire.

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13730534 04/10/19
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska	I've got or shot everything thus far cited. Pinch purse strings and go Jap '52. Hint...……………………. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13736232 04/12/19
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 484 Colorado Limapapa Campfire Member
Limapapa Campfire Member Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 484 Colorado	Got my Model 75 Sporting rifle as an understudy for my young teenager who would use my pre-64 Model 70 fwt for elk and antelope. Kept a vintage Weaver J4 on it and got 1/2 inch groups consistently at 50 yards. They go in the $600 to 800 range in decent shape from what I see on GB. More fun than shooting a newer rifle to me.

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13736237 04/12/19
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska	The less you "know" and "do"...the "better" everything is. Hint.............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13736247 04/12/19
Joined: May 2016 Posts: 60,242 Montana J Jim_Conrad Campfire Kahuna
Jim_Conrad Campfire Kahuna J Joined: May 2016 Posts: 60,242 Montana	Mossberg 42. I am MAGA.

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13736258 04/12/19
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 21,959 Idaho 340boy Campfire Ranger
340boy Campfire Ranger Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 21,959 Idaho	Remington 581 "For joy of knowing what may not be known we take the golden road to Samarkand." James Elroy Flecker

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13736280 04/12/19
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska	A Little Vudoo. Pun be intended. Hint................. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13736282 04/12/19
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska	Beeg Vudoo bottom. Hint............... Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13736650 04/13/19
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,419 St. Louis, MO JimHnSTL Campfire Tracker
JimHnSTL Campfire Tracker Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,419 St. Louis, MO	I own a couple of M77/22 and love them dearly, they are getting pricey but you may be able to find one. It pains me to admit but the post advocating a Japan maid Win 52 would be a killer gun to get but it will go well above your price limit. Shot a Mossberg 44 US for a while and that was a shooter but not a field carry rifle. Help keep our sport going. take a kid outdoors!

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13736677 04/13/19
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska	Someone ain't guessing. Hint................... Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Pharmseller #13737293 04/13/19
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,900 B benchman Campfire Outfitter
benchman Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,900	Originally Posted by Pharmseller Originally Posted by benchman Handled a browning a bolt 22mag yesterday. Felt like a centerfire. I have two, but in .22 LR. They are as close to a full-sized center fire that I think you’ll find. More accurate than the shooter. They typically go for closer to $700 than $500. P They wanted 450 for the magnum. Just fair condition. I might have to buy it!

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13737640 04/13/19
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska	I gave my A-Bort Rimfires away. Hint.............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13738056 04/13/19
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 11,483 lawrence county MO L ldholton Campfire Outfitter
ldholton Campfire Outfitter L Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 11,483 lawrence county MO	Closest would be a 40X and That's as close as one can get I believe

Re: Rimfire practice rifle ldholton #13738841 04/13/19
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska	Originally Posted by ldholton Closest would be a 40X and That's as close as one can get I believe Bless your heart. Hint................. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Big Stick #13739100 04/14/19
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 11,483 lawrence county MO L ldholton Campfire Outfitter
ldholton Campfire Outfitter L Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 11,483 lawrence county MO	Originally Posted by Big Stick Originally Posted by ldholton Closest would be a 40X and That's as close as one can get I believe Bless your heart. Hint................. After all it can be custom build to be so close to exact 700 configuration

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13739118 04/14/19
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska	Bless your heart. Hint................. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13742389 04/15/19
Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 35 Ontario, Canada Blairich OP Campfire Greenhorn
OP Blairich Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 35 Ontario, Canada	Thanks for all the suggestions. I like the win 52 idea but I get cranky if I don’t eat for months. I am looking to cross paths with a cz 452 American but for now I will look into the Marlin xt.

Re: Rimfire practice rifle Blairich #13743217 04/15/19
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska	You'll NEVER regret doing it right and will ALWAYS regret concessions. Hint................. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

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