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#13711818 - 04/03/19 Re: Best Aperture Sights? [Re: JohnnyLoco]  
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Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Subaru can go where a locked-n-cocked jeep won’t on several occasions.


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#13711976 - 04/03/19 Re: Best Aperture Sights? [Re: johnw]  
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I have skinner and williams, williams is easier to adjust, its bulky and somewhat slower to get on target because the sight is hanging off the side of the gun, this causes you to have a split second longer to think am I looking at this centered. I also think the fiber optic front sight that comes with the williams is a POS, skinner is harder to adjust is a cleaner install. I also like the skinner front sights better, I recommend the bear buster front sight, your not having to dink around trying to file the dovetail just right, It also just ends up being a cleaner look with the bear buster. The skinner is also a cleaner rear sight setup too. IMO you are going to want to use a skinner front sight anyways because I didn't like what williams sent out. So with that said you might as well just go skinner for both front and rear. Also skinner does offer a model that allows putting a scope on as well if that is something you have interest in. perhaps for load development or something like that. If I am doing it over again, I go skinner with the bear buster front.



#13712567 - 04/03/19 Re: Best Aperture Sights? [Re: johnw]  
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But does the bearbuster work with the rear Dovetail peep or is it too high, dats da question. I’m also confused on this adjusting thing. Are y’all talking about making changes or setting it initially. By gosh they are all easy.

I could never get someone on the phone or email at Skinner to talk about the bearbust front

A couple of myths about peeps:

The closer to the eye, the more fast and accurate. Nope, my dovetail peeps are just as fast and accurate

Is my front sight centered? If you are focusing on that, you are using them wrong

A smaller ap is more accurate. Nope, the eye still centers the front, the width of the front has more effect on accuracy.

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#13712650 - 04/03/19 Re: Best Aperture Sights? [Re: johnw]  
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#13714921 - 04/04/19 Re: Best Aperture Sights? [Re: JohnnyLoco]  
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Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
But does the bearbuster work with the rear Dovetail peep or is it too high, dats da question. I’m also confused on this adjusting thing. Are y’all talking about making changes or setting it initially. By gosh they are all easy.

I could never get someone on the phone or email at Skinner to talk about the bearbust front

A couple of myths about peeps:

The closer to the eye, the more fast and accurate. Nope, my dovetail peeps are just as fast and accurate

Is my front sight centered? If you are focusing on that, you are using them wrong

A smaller ap is more accurate. Nope, the eye still centers the front, the width of the front has more effect on accuracy.


the best thing about the bear busters is you get rid of the dovetail base. Now if your site is dovetailed right to the barrel you are out of luck. You need threaded screws to hold on the bear buster. The older style rifles have the screw spacing closer, I am talking marlins, here. the newer ones are spaced further. with the older guns you are only able to use the 1 screw bear buster sight. the newer guns run the 2 screw bear buster. I love my peep's for targets that are not moving. However I think I may actually like the buck horn style for fast moving targets like jack rabbits. but it depends on the buck horn. I think a bead with more of a notch rear that doesn't have large buck horns would be best for that. kinda like the factory marlin sights. I picked up an old waffle top 336 and the regular sights on that I might really really like for fast moving jacks. But this was only spending a day with the skinner in the sage brush. it just seemed easier to track a running jack with the factory sights.

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#13715092 - 04/04/19 Re: Best Aperture Sights? [Re: johnw]  
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XS used to make the Cowboy Express that was faster than crap but the front dot was large.


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#13723761 - 04/08/19 Re: Best Aperture Sights? [Re: johnw]  
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I have a 1976 vintage model 94 that has the failing blueing on the receiver that I bought very reasonably, and would like to use as a foul weather hunter. I would like to replace the rear sight with some sort of peep sight, and retain the factory front sight. What would be my best bet?


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#13741865 - 04/14/19 Re: Best Aperture Sights? [Re: johnw]  
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Plans are plans, but reality came down to me ordering an XS set for the 336 too. Hope to have the new sights within a couple of days, but I decided to try the carbine with it's factory sights today.

Wasn't hitting anything much at first, shooting offhand at 50 so i put it on some bigger steel and figured out I was almost 6" high. Dropped the rear down and fired up again and the smaller steel started ringing. Albeit I was hitting to the left of my POA.

Tried some 170 gr Remingtons, and some150 blue box Federals, and couldn't tell a lick of difference while shooting offhand at 50. I will need some trigger time with this one to make it really useful.


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#13766381 - 04/23/19 Re: Best Aperture Sights? [Re: johnw]  
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The XS sights for the 336 came last week and I installed them over the weekend. Easy installation and a nice crisp sight picture.

This morning I had a little time to kill and found myself at the range with a few targets. 3 rounds at 25 yds made a tight cluster about an inch and a half or so to the right of center.

I had played with the adjustment screws at home and realized that my old BSquare screwdriver set lacked the correct size tip to fit the adjustment screws properly. I tried to file a tip to fit but it didn't really work right, so I simply bulled ahead and buggered up both screws.

I called XS and told them how i screwed it up and they sent replacement screws and filled me in on where to find a screwdriver that fit. Seems like a good bunch, and i surely like the sights they build.

I have another carbine coming and ordered another set of sights for it while I was on the phone with them.


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#13798812 - 05/06/19 Re: Best Aperture Sights? [Re: johnw]  
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I just put a Williams FP-71 on my Win 1886 Extralight 45-70. I like it.

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#13800336 - 05/07/19 Re: Best Aperture Sights? [Re: JohnnyLoco]  
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Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco

A smaller ap is more accurate. Nope, the eye still centers the front, the width of the front has more effect on accuracy.


Hmmm, not quite.
The smaller aperture does two things (1) it sharpens the image and (2) it forces your head/eye alignment into a smaller arc of error. If your sights are set for target style work, the width of the post doesn't become a hindrance until you have to judge holdover. And if you're trying to shoot the 45-70 at 200yds, holdover is an issue.

The key factor is consistent head position. I.e. you need a repeatable cheek weld. I put a big brass tack on my Guide Gun to be a "kisser button". I've used the Williams Firesight combo for a long time and it is very fast and accurate to 100yds. And it isn't as clunky as the 5d.

#13800812 - 05/07/19 Re: Best Aperture Sights? [Re: johnw]  
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Lyman for me and if you can locate one of those Merit shutter apertures they are the tits. MB

#13800936 - 05/07/19 Re: Best Aperture Sights? [Re: dla]  
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Originally Posted by dla
Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco

A smaller ap is more accurate. Nope, the eye still centers the front, the width of the front has more effect on accuracy.


Hmmm, not quite.
The smaller aperture does two things (1) it sharpens the image and (2) it forces your head/eye alignment into a smaller arc of error. If your sights are set for target style work, the width of the post doesn't become a hindrance until you have to judge holdover. And if you're trying to shoot the 45-70 at 200yds, holdover is an issue.

The key factor is consistent head position. I.e. you need a repeatable cheek weld. I put a big brass tack on my Guide Gun to be a "kisser button". I've used the Williams Firesight combo for a long time and it is very fast and accurate to 100yds. And it isn't as clunky as the 5d.


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#13802916 - 05/08/19 Re: Best Aperture Sights? [Re: johnw]  
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Steelhead recommended XS sights several years ago and they made a huge difference in speed and accuracy for me. They've very easy to acquire and shoot accurately and a better fit than a scope or red-dot for what I'm choosing to do with a lever-action.
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#13803398 - 05/08/19 Re: Best Aperture Sights? [Re: johnw]  
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#13805329 - 05/09/19 Re: Best Aperture Sights? [Re: JohnnyLoco]  
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I'm glad I decided to turn that Marlin1895GST into a shooter instead of a safe-queen. I picked it up from my buddy Freedumb1 who used to post here but passed away last November frown and I think of him every time I see it so it get's plenty of attention. Last year I added a Levergun Leather sling to complete the package.....
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#13805862 - 05/09/19 Re: Best Aperture Sights? [Re: johnw]  
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I put a Williams on the rear of mine, and a sight made by XS with a narrow white stripe up the center of it.
At the time, XS sent me a plastic front "try" sight you cut off and measured.


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#13805879 - 05/09/19 Re: Best Aperture Sights? [Re: johnw]  
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#13805926 - 05/09/19 Re: Best Aperture Sights? [Re: Nebraska]  
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Awesome Marlin...


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#13829201 - 05/18/19 Re: Best Aperture Sights? [Re: johnw]  
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I like either an XS or Skinner on the rear with out an aperture insert and an XS with white line and flat post top on the front. I have resisted the urge to scope a lever action with an exposed hammer and a tubular magazine.
I mostly carry my 1895 Marlin f45-70 or a little Mod. 94 Win. in .44 Magnum on summer jaunts when not hunting. I trust either one more then a handgun.

If all goes well I will soon be the happy proud owner of a Mod. 94 Win. in .356 Win. It will get Mag Na Ported and an XS or Skinner receiver sight and the XS white line post on front. Then I will load up some 220 grain Speer Flat Points and try to poke a hole in a moose this fall and may even stumble on to a brownie as we hunt the same place! I'm excited and will get some trigger time in with it after it arrives.

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