I bought a Ruger American Predator a while back. The good : Right out of the box it would shoot factory stuff under MOA for three shots. That is with the floppy stock hitting the barrel and the factory trigger at 3.5 lbs.
with handloads most three shot groups were .5" and 5 shots usually ,75 with occasional fliers opening up to 1"
Opened up the factory stock to float the barrel and put a spring kit and the trigger is now 1.75 lbs. the fliers are gone. All good.
The NOT GOOD It will not feed anything. Called Ruger and they sent another magazine. Will not feed anything. Several fixes on you tube with questionable results
the even worse!! Since the stock has been modified they will not work on the rifle unless the stock is replaced on my nickel. Of course the trigger spring has to come out.
Six weeks turn around.
So I have a cheap accurate single shot
Perhaps I can mess with one magazine before I send it in. I really don't want to buy another schitty stock.
What cartridge? The early 223's had magazine issues but I thought that was corrected long ago. FWIW I've not had any feeding issues with the magazines, but I've had 2 of the 4 round rotary magazines break when I dropped them loaded. It doesn't seem to hurt them if dropped unloaded. One landed on a carpeted floor, the other on my driveway. I've since gotten rid of those versions and now have a 308 that takes the AI style magazines and a 223/5.56 that takes AR magazines. I like them much better.
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They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth.
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
You Window Licking Clueless Fhuqks are a hoot. Congratulations?!?
Hint...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I've have/have had the RAR rifles in 223, 6mm & 6.5 Creed, and 450 Bushmaster. All have been MOA shooters @ 100 yds. Only the 223 had feeding issues. A new magazine fixed that problem.
If it isn't an AICS footprinted DBM,it is mechanically a HEAVY compromise. Congratulations?!?
Oooopsie!
Hint....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I bought a Ruger American Predator a while back. The good : Right out of the box it would shoot factory stuff under MOA for three shots. That is with the floppy stock hitting the barrel and the factory trigger at 3.5 lbs.
with handloads most three shot groups were .5" and 5 shots usually ,75 with occasional fliers opening up to 1"
Opened up the factory stock to float the barrel and put a spring kit and the trigger is now 1.75 lbs. the fliers are gone. All good.
The NOT GOOD It will not feed anything. Called Ruger and they sent another magazine. Will not feed anything. Several fixes on you tube with questionable results
the even worse!! Since the stock has been modified they will not work on the rifle unless the stock is replaced on my nickel. Of course the trigger spring has to come out.
Six weeks turn around.
So I have a cheap accurate single shot
Perhaps I can mess with one magazine before I send it in. I really don't want to buy another schitty stock.
Lefty C
UPDATE
Looking closely at the magazine as I manually push rounds through I can see that the front of the case right at the case shoulder junction is tight. This causes the front of the case not to rise to the top of the magazine, but the back of the case to raises to the top thereby pointing the case downward causing the point of the bullet to jam into the front of the magazine.
Factory rounds work a little better as they are about .010 smaller in dia. But they still jam.
Solution: Set magazine up in my mill and took about .005 off each side for 1/4" of the front of the magazine. Problem solved! Rounds pop up, feed straight to the feed ramp and into the chamber. Every time.
Magazines still suck. They are egg shell thin plastic. I know this rifle is built to a price point, but Ruger could do better.
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I recently bought a Ruger American in .223 that takes AR mags. I put an E carbo spring in that dropped the trigger to 1.8 lbs., and a muzzle brake. While it does not cycle as smooth as my Tikka, it does not fail to feed and eject them, with any AR mag I put in it. Shoots like a dream. I am extremely happy with mine.
AR mags do not begin to have the COAL requisite,to do ANY favors.
Boyds/AICS DBM
Hint..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I don't think you would have anything to loose by tweaking one of the 2 mags you have since they are not feeding anyway. You might be able to figure it out. Sounds like the you tube fixes were of no help.
I bought a Ruger American Predator a while back. The good : Right out of the box it would shoot factory stuff under MOA for three shots. That is with the floppy stock hitting the barrel and the factory trigger at 3.5 lbs.
with handloads most three shot groups were .5" and 5 shots usually ,75 with occasional fliers opening up to 1"
Opened up the factory stock to float the barrel and put a spring kit and the trigger is now 1.75 lbs. the fliers are gone. All good.
The NOT GOOD It will not feed anything. Called Ruger and they sent another magazine. Will not feed anything. Several fixes on you tube with questionable results
the even worse!! Since the stock has been modified they will not work on the rifle unless the stock is replaced on my nickel. Of course the trigger spring has to come out.
Six weeks turn around.
So I have a cheap accurate single shot
Perhaps I can mess with one magazine before I send it in. I really don't want to buy another schitty stock.
Lefty C
UPDATE
Looking closely at the magazine as I manually push rounds through I can see that the front of the case right at the case shoulder junction is tight. This causes the front of the case not to rise to the top of the magazine, but the back of the case to raises to the top thereby pointing the case downward causing the point of the bullet to jam into the front of the magazine.
Factory rounds work a little better as they are about .010 smaller in dia. But they still jam.
Solution: Set magazine up in my mill and took about .005 off each side for 1/4" of the front of the magazine. Problem solved! Rounds pop up, feed straight to the feed ramp and into the chamber. Every time.
Magazines still suck. They are egg shell thin plastic. I know this rifle is built to a price point, but Ruger could do better.
Rest of the rifle is great.
Lefty
Agreed, Ruger could have done better by using a blind staggered magazine like Marlin used in their X guns and Savage used for years in their 110 series.
" I know this rifle is built to a price point, but Ruger could do better. "
They do. It's called the Hawkeye.
The Hawkeye "boasts" a much schittier trigger,an inability to coax rail inclination and is a fhuqk of a LOT heavier. Congratulations?!?
Hint..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
What mine did at 100 yds. after the break-in period. 3 shot group .327 inch. I am well pleased as it cycled easily, and the trigger was crisp and light with ecarbo spring.
" I know this rifle is built to a price point, but Ruger could do better. "
They do. It's called the Hawkeye.
The Hawkeye "boasts" a much schittier trigger,an inability to coax rail inclination and is a fhuqk of a LOT heavier. Congratulations?!?
Hint..............
Perhaps I got lucky, but my Hawkeye has a 3.5lb trigger with zero creep (doesn't seem all that schitty to me), rail inclination isn't a factor in the shooting I do (<500yds), and while it could be lighter the weight doesn't bother me.
I bought a .308 when they first came out. It has always shot MOA or better with the 150 grain Federals I use. I have a Ruger American Ranch Rifle in 7.62x39. It uses the Ruger Mini 30 magazines, and is bullet proof. I load for that rifle, and the groups at 100 yards hover right around an inch, give or take. I am using Sierra's 125 grain Pro Hunter .311 bullet, and 25.5 grains of IMR 4198. My other Ranch Rifle is a .223, using a rotary magazine. I get an inch or less all day long with my load using the Winchester 64 grain SP over H335 powder. zero issues with any of the three.
I recently picked up an American Predator with the AI compatible stock, in 6.5 Creedmoor. Haven't shot it yet but will probably play with it after turkey season. The stock has a thin wrist but seems fairly stiff for a cheapo plastic stock, at least to me. No barrel contact, and the forearm seems hopefully stiff enough to stay off the barrel. I don't care much for the big clunky bolt; mine makes a corduroy pant-leg sound every time I cycle it. I hope it smooths out with some use.
My only other nitpick is the proprietary tool needed to remove the AI stock from the action. Seems an overly complicated way to attach a stock, to me. The binderless mag from Accurate appears to function just fine, so I guess it truly is AI compatible. I don't have any other AI mags to try in it, other than the factory Ruger mag.
" I know this rifle is built to a price point, but Ruger could do better. "
They do. It's called the Hawkeye.
The Hawkeye "boasts" a much schittier trigger,an inability to coax rail inclination and is a fhuqk of a LOT heavier. Congratulations?!?
Hint..............
Perhaps I got lucky, but my Hawkeye has a 3.5lb trigger with zero creep (doesn't seem all that schitty to me), rail inclination isn't a factor in the shooting I do (<500yds), and while it could be lighter the weight doesn't bother me.
My lightest Hawkeye (Scout in .308 and synthetic stock) weighs all of 6-1/4 pounds naked, per Ruger. Not as light as my Browning B92 carbine, but a light, handy little rifle. My All Weather .280 Rem has a synthetic stock and is lighter than the ones with wood stock - also a handy rifle with fairly light kick. Sold a wood-stocked .30-06 but never found the weight objectionable - especially since the extra weight reduced recoil somewhat - an acceptable trade-off for me. (Not to say that .30-06 rifles are heavy kickers in the first place.)
All of the Hawkeyes I've worked with had fairly decent triggers - certainly better than some others I've seen - and if one has a mind, they are easy to improve with a little polishing. If that doesn't do it, replacement triggers are available.
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No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's.
I picked up the 6.5 CM Ruger Predators when it first came out. Locally they were 369.00 and tax. Shot incredible with a pile of 140gr A-Max I have had for some time. RL-17 was a top performer velocity and accuracy wise. I have never shot factory ammo through the 6.5 CM.
I then picked up the Predator in 6mm CM. I was impressed with it right away. I shot Hornady factory loads (108gr ELD-M) through it and several handloads. I think I gave 379.00 for it.
6mm CM factory Hornady ammo (108gr ELD-M) first 3 shot and 5 shot groups from the rifle.
I really like the 105gr Nosler RDF
6.5 CM
140 A-Max 200 yards.
129gr SST (200yrd)
129gr SST (300yrd)
Hornady 129gr Interlock (300yds)
Last edited by SMACK; 04/28/19.
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I just picked up a used RAR Predator in 260 Rem. It came with a Leupold VX-3 3.5-10x40 mounted on it, extra mags and a bunch of ammo and brass. Initial impression, the mags are suspect, I like the rest of the rifle. Haven't shot it yet, was hoping to yesterday, but we had a blizzard here in NE IL! I'll try to get to the range next weekend, hoping it's as accurate as others I'm seeing in this thread.
It isn't what happens to you that defines you, it's what you DO about what happens to you that defines you!
I have a ..308 that is a sub-half-minute shooter with 150 Interlocks. I had to replace the spring and put a little epoxy in the front of the stock. The magazines did not work well, if you put more than a couple rounds in them. Ruger sent me new mags, which seem to work fine. I have shot about a thousand rounds through it and I am real happy with the rifle.
You did not "seen" anything, you "saw" it. A "creek" has water in it, a "crick" is what you get in your neck. Liberals with guns are nothing but hypocrites.
Noticed a difference in the internals of the 2 mags I got with the RAR Predator. One has a metal follower and the other is plastic and how they each work is different with different types of springs in each one. The one with the metal follower had almost zero spring tension and rounds would not come up as the action was worked. Took the end cap off the mag (and of course broke off 2 of the really cheap little plastic locking tabs! C'Mon Ruger!) and put 2 full counterclockwise rotations on the follower to load up the spring. Now it works perfectly, feeds every round every time. After putting the end cap back on I used some nylon reinforcing tape on the back of the mag to hold the end cap on. The mag actually fits, and works, better with the tape on the back of it! LOL! Snug, but not too snug, and it cycles perfectly every time. I'm going to borrow a 450 Bushmaster mag from a buddy of mine and see how that works, as others here have mentioned. I realize the rifle is what it is, "economical", but the delivery system sure could be better!
Last edited by DeanAnderson; 05/10/19.
It isn't what happens to you that defines you, it's what you DO about what happens to you that defines you!
" I know this rifle is built to a price point, but Ruger could do better. "
They do. It's called the Hawkeye.
The Hawkeye "boasts" a much schittier trigger,an inability to coax rail inclination and is a fhuqk of a LOT heavier. Congratulations?!?
Hint..............
Stick:
What are your "Plusses" of the Ruger American (versus all others out there, not just the Hawkeye?) I find it inexpensive, accurate, and functional, but detest the rotary mags. I also wish they made Talley Rings for 'em.
Anyway, interested in your upside on these.
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