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#13744102 - 04/15/19 Re: Alabama Senate bill would allow hunters to set bait for deer [Re: Oldelkhunter]  
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Nor is Pa that way today. Not even close. But you don’t know, so I understand. I can hunt more than your 5000 and not see 5 hunters in the wood if I don’t want to. However, they don’t allow electric carts in and out.

Spikes have been off limits for years. But you obviously didn’t know or just added that to try and make a weak point.

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#13744133 - 04/15/19 Re: Alabama Senate bill would allow hunters to set bait for deer [Re: battue]  
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Originally Posted by battue
Nor is Pa that way today. Not even close. But you don’t know, so I understand.


I know exactly how it is done there . I still have friends that live in PA and NY state. Southern states are better managed then the Northern states. Fact of Life.


#13744178 - 04/15/19 Re: Alabama Senate bill would allow hunters to set bait for deer [Re: Oldelkhunter]  
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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
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Everyone already baits in AL, so no change in the process, only in the legalization.


Everyone? Supplemental feeding is allowed but the feeder has to be out of the line of sight of the hunter. It(Baiting or Supplemental) is not allowed on the property we hunt nor surrounding properties. In fact I have hunted several large properties in a 20 year period there and never saw either.


Well, not really everyone, just lots of folks. You are absolutely correct here, feed out of the line of sight. As you know from hunting there, lots of folks will take any advantage to get deer on their property vs over on the neighbors, so they definitely do feed on their owned property and leases, along with planting food plots. I think from what I’ve seen hunting there, many will hunt over corn similar to what is done in TX if this gets passed if allowed.

Currently in MS, they are trying hard to ban supplemental feeding due to CWD they have identified in a few animals, which their game and fish dept. believes could be more rapidly spread by feeding. I imagine that AL might follow suit if they confirm CWD there as well (which we were advised by Mr Green Jeans to be prepared for). I hunt each year for the last 20 or so in Western Alabama, and prior to that about 30 miles west of there in Eastern MS. Personally I would much rather out in WY like I’ve done for about 20 years as well, but any hunting opportunity is a good hunting opportunity, especially living in South Florida like I do. I really do appreciate stand hunting, if done right, like you described above (woods in the am, green fields in the pm), and the green fields really do let you see and appreciate deer behavior for hours at a time. There is something to be said for that for sure.

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#13744209 - 04/15/19 Re: Alabama Senate bill would allow hunters to set bait for deer [Re: Oldelkhunter]  
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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by battue
Nor is Pa that way today. Not even close. But you don’t know, so I understand.


I know exactly how it is done there . I still have friends that live in PA and NY state. Southern states are better managed then the Northern states. Fact of Life.


They are partly correct for the farm Pa farm country and completely wrong for the big wood country.

Fact of life: An electric cart won’t get you very far in the big wood.

The Southern States big draw is the Deer populate faster than they can issue tags to kill them and Lord knows they try.


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#13744227 - 04/15/19 Re: Alabama Senate bill would allow hunters to set bait for deer [Re: Oldelkhunter]  
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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
if food plots are something other than supplemental feeding, what would it be?

In all the properties I have hunted in Alabama thats all they are there for. Does have a strong attraction to food plots and you can sit there for hours watching family groups of Does, small bucks, very enjoyable. During the rut some bucks might make the mistake of pursuing does and get shot but that is far and infrequent in my experience.



If the Does are around then the big boys will not be far away either.

Yes but they usually don't make an appearance until very last light and they are fidgety if anything. We see them more in the AM then at any other time .

And as mentioned previous, they tire of eating the same same. They may hit the acorns hard, but eventually they may decide some alfalfa would be a nice change.

I have been there years where a single doe is all we saw on a foodplot at night. They are only hunted evenings. If anything Does are bait. There is so much for them to eat there it is not even funny.



How do you boys hunt? Stands? Move around? All day, or

Get up 1 1/2 hours before daylight , walk 1/2 to a mile to a stand and stay there until you are tired of sitting there. Bucks usually cruise late morning until midday .
Get into the evening stand usually no later then 2-2:30 , sit half hour past sunset.

We are picked up in electrical UTVS(most of the time) . We hunt on roughly 5000 acres surrounded by thousands of acres of privately held land . They have roughly 300 head of cattle and for safety reasons no still hunting allowed. Deer have a lot of options on where to be and what to eat . No Archery, Muzzleloader and Turkey hunting is allowed period. They even have a few days break between hunting . Tracking dog is used if needed , they do not want anyone traipsing on adjoining properties or possibly bitten by a snake of which there are many





Man, I want to hunt where you hunt. Sounds like an awesome setup.

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#13744315 - 04/15/19 Re: Alabama Senate bill would allow hunters to set bait for deer [Re: Capt_Craig]  
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Originally Posted by Capt_Craig
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
if food plots are something other than supplemental feeding, what would it be?

In all the properties I have hunted in Alabama thats all they are there for. Does have a strong attraction to food plots and you can sit there for hours watching family groups of Does, small bucks, very enjoyable. During the rut some bucks might make the mistake of pursuing does and get shot but that is far and infrequent in my experience.



If the Does are around then the big boys will not be far away either.

Yes but they usually don't make an appearance until very last light and they are fidgety if anything. We see them more in the AM then at any other time .

And as mentioned previous, they tire of eating the same same. They may hit the acorns hard, but eventually they may decide some alfalfa would be a nice change.

I have been there years where a single doe is all we saw on a foodplot at night. They are only hunted evenings. If anything Does are bait. There is so much for them to eat there it is not even funny.



How do you boys hunt? Stands? Move around? All day, or

Get up 1 1/2 hours before daylight , walk 1/2 to a mile to a stand and stay there until you are tired of sitting there. Bucks usually cruise late morning until midday .
Get into the evening stand usually no later then 2-2:30 , sit half hour past sunset.

We are picked up in electrical UTVS(most of the time) . We hunt on roughly 5000 acres surrounded by thousands of acres of privately held land . They have roughly 300 head of cattle and for safety reasons no still hunting allowed. Deer have a lot of options on where to be and what to eat . No Archery, Muzzleloader and Turkey hunting is allowed period. They even have a few days break between hunting . Tracking dog is used if needed , they do not want anyone traipsing on adjoining properties or possibly bitten by a snake of which there are many





Man, I want to hunt where you hunt. Sounds like an awesome setup.


The owners are not getting any younger and they have cut back quite a bit for this coming year and for the foreseeable future.


#13745140 - 04/15/19 Re: Alabama Senate bill would allow hunters to set bait for deer [Re: battue]  
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Originally Posted by battue


The Southern States big draw is the Deer populate faster than they can issue tags to kill them and Lord knows they try.


Among many things I could say, all I will is:

Life’s tough for a Yank ! cry
Ain’t it?


Jerry


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#13745591 - 04/16/19 Re: Alabama Senate bill would allow hunters to set bait for deer [Re: jwall]  
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Originally Posted by jwall
Originally Posted by battue


The Southern States big draw is the Deer populate faster than they can issue tags to kill them and Lord knows they try.


Among many things I could say, all I will is:

Life’s tough for a Yank ! cry
Ain’t it?


Jerry


Apparently , good thing they move south and tell us how much better it is up north.


#13745837 - 04/16/19 Re: Alabama Senate bill would allow hunters to set bait for deer [Re: Beoceorl]  
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It is, but I’m glad you are where you are. You old farts are always good for a laugh, now get in your assigned stand and pretend you are scouting. Funny that😀😀😀😀

Next thing you know you will be giving some yank that back hand compliment you are famous for. We laugh at it, while you think you are making us feel good.


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#13745962 - 04/16/19 Re: Alabama Senate bill would allow hunters to set bait for deer [Re: battue]  
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Originally Posted by battue
It is, but I’m glad you are where you are. You old farts are always good for a laugh, now get in your assigned stand and pretend you are scouting. Funny that😀😀😀😀

Next thing you know you will be giving some yank that back hand compliment you are famous for. We laugh at it, while you think you are making us feel good.


If you only knew my background you might think differently but I doubt it would affect a narcissist . I believe you are much older then I am BTW.


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I know all I need to know re you and your blow hard kind. Bless your little heart.

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#13746059 - 04/16/19 Re: Alabama Senate bill would allow hunters to set bait for deer [Re: Oldelkhunter]  
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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
I believe you are much older then I am BTW.


Probably am, but you embarrass the rest of us. Nor do I care about your background, and from what I read I can’t imagine thinking differently.

But bless your heart.


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#13746105 - 04/16/19 Re: Alabama Senate bill would allow hunters to set bait for deer [Re: Beoceorl]  
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I can understand for hogs since they are a nuisance. I hate the idea of baiting deer unless in urban areas as population control.

#13748102 - 04/16/19 Re: Alabama Senate bill would allow hunters to set bait for deer [Re: Beoceorl]  
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Feeders have been legal here for years. If you don't feed and your neighbors do you won't see many deer. It is just where hunting is going. You can sit and listen to the neighbors shoot the deer you want or you can compete.

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I love the guys who call hunting over corn unethical or blast it for requiring no skill then turn around in the next breath and defend green patches. LOL!

A corn feeder is bait placed in a specific location by man to lure deer into gun or bow range. A green patch is bait placed in a specific location by man to lure deer into gun or bow range. No difference.

And please explain to me what unique skill is required to climb into a shooting house overlooking a green patch that distinguishes it from climbing into one overlooking a corn feeder? I'll stand by while some of you run your arm up your backside all the way to your elbow trying to dig some rationalization out of your lower colon that makes those two activities any different from a ethical or skills required stand point. LOL!

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Originally Posted by Todd_Bradford
I love the guys who call hunting over corn unethical or blast it for requiring no skill then turn around in the next breath and defend green patches. LOL!

A corn feeder is bait placed in a specific location by man to lure deer into gun or bow range. A green patch is bait placed in a specific location by man to lure deer into gun or bow range. No difference.

And please explain to me what unique skill is required to climb into a shooting house overlooking a green patch that distinguishes it from climbing into one overlooking a corn feeder? I'll stand by while some of you run your arm up your backside all the way to your elbow trying to dig some rationalization out of your lower colon that makes those two activities any different from a ethical or skills required stand point. LOL!


Absolutely !!

edit: they called them "green patches" when I hunted there in the 80s.

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Originally Posted by Todd_Bradford
I love the guys who call hunting over corn unethical or blast it for requiring no skill then turn around in the next breath and defend green patches. LOL!

A corn feeder is bait placed in a specific location by man to lure deer into gun or bow range. A green patch is bait placed in a specific location by man to lure deer into gun or bow range. No difference.

And please explain to me what unique skill is required to climb into a shooting house overlooking a green patch that distinguishes it from climbing into one overlooking a corn feeder? I'll stand by while some of you run your arm up your backside all the way to your elbow trying to dig some rationalization out of your lower colon that makes those two activities any different from a ethical or skills required stand point. LOL!


Couple of differences:

If you have 20 deer eating from a small pile of corn , if one is sick the rest might or might not get sick. If you have feeding troughs with a few hundred pounds of purina deer chow in them and one deer is sick the rest can get sick as well. A bait pile will disturb normal whitetail travel patterns.

Once the season is over the food plot still feeds deer , most people that use bait stop baiting once the season is over.

If you have 10000 acres and one food plot then that is a magnet. If you have 10000 acres and over 100 food plots that does change things . The only thing a green field does is attract does, not everytime that you sit on a green field will you even see a deer on even the best managed properties. I have yet to see a fresh cornpile not attract deer even in a heavily hunted situation. You only sit in a greenfield for the afternoon hunts in most civilized places.






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The vast majority of the Deer I kill have been between 10am and 3pm while mainly just walking around and trying to catch them out. From scouting I know they are around somewhere in the relative vicinity and for the most part I find them rather then hoping they find me. Damn Yankee that I am. 😇😇😇😇

Have shot some in the evening in a corn or alfalfa field, even while perched. One deadly perch sits in the middle of native grass.

Is one method more civilized than the other?


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Know some Gentlemen from the South that I sometimes hang with, and they chase Deer with a pack of mixed breed Dogs.

Are they civilized? Are they really Southern gentlemen?
I’m surprised they invite me to hunt with them. Me being a Yankee and all. Odd from what you would gather from some Johnnies on here.

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Originally Posted by battue
Know some Gentlemen from the South that I sometimes hang with, and they chase Deer with a pack of mixed breed Dogs.

Are they civilized? Are they really Southern gentlemen?
I’m surprised they invite me to hunt with them. Me being a Yankee and all. Odd from what you would gather from some Johnnies on here.


I am no proponent of dog hunting but I will not criticize it. Mixed breed dogs, they must be real necks. Nothing wrong with Yankees I was one for 27 years, your just being a douchebag plain and simple.


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Originally Posted by battue
The vast majority of the Deer I kill have been between 10am and 3pm while mainly just walking around and trying to catch them out. From scouting I know they are around somewhere in the relative vicinity and for the most part I find them rather then hoping they find me. Damn Yankee that I am. 😇😇😇😇

Have shot some in the evening in a corn or alfalfa field, even while perched. One deadly perch sits in the middle of native grass.

Is one method more civilized than the other?



Yes on your unlimited SGL you can probably roam around , not encumbered by fences and property lines or livestock. 10 to mid afternoon is a good time to find bucks cruising, is this something you just learned recently?


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