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Have any of you gentlemen actually survived a gun battle and decided that you would be better off with a smaller less powerful duty handgun?
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Evidentally many of them. It would seem. 380 Autos and 9MM's rule.


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Originally Posted by NVhntr
Seriously?

Dead serious


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I would rather have a G17 than a Keltec PF9 or a high point 45. Actually I would rather have a fully loaded G17 than a $4,000.00 custom Wilson 1911.


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Originally Posted by NVhntr
Seriously?


Somebody's been watching Clint Raw.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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After watching the video from Federal I could swear
that I heard him say that a faster lighter recoiling pistol would allow you to pump more rounds into the target. Increasing your odds for a hit.
That sounds like what we used to call spray and pray.
Col Jeff Cooper must be rolling in his grave.


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Originally Posted by whelennut
After watching the video from Federal I could swear
that I heard him say that a faster lighter recoiling pistol would allow you to pump more rounds into the target. Increasing your odds for a hit.
That sounds like what we used to call spray and pray.
Col Jeff Cooper must be rolling in his grave.


Or it might just increase the number of hits:



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You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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I have never seen a gun port before.
Why does this guy cant to the left?
I would think empty brass would get hung up
on the way out?
Who had to shoot through gun ports?


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It all changes the first time a bullet cracks next to your head.


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Originally Posted by whelennut
I have never seen a gun port before.
Why does this guy cant to the left?
I would think empty brass would get hung up
on the way out?
Who had to shoot through gun ports?


A lot of what he's referencing is for competition type shooting. The scope is good for longer ranges and then he added an red dot positioned at about 45 degrees off plumb for close shots. It's fast to transition between the two. Doesn't affect the brass ejection in the slightest.

The gun port board is called a "viking tactics" or VTAC board. Have no idea where the name came from. It's used a lot in run and gun, 3-gun and similar competitions to test your knowledge of external ballistics. Typically used at 100-250 yards. If you don't understand the flight off the bullet in relationship to your optic, it will mess you up. It's more of a study in ballistics, than a practical skill, but can't hurt having the knowledge.

How effective all this is when there's bullets coming back at you is understandably debatable.

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I think a gun that hits where you look is best no matter the caliber. Too many small guns with fixed sights shoot so far off that in a situation, you will forget. Change loads to get the right center.

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My gun club would not allow it.
Probably why I have never seen it.


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canting the rifle keeps your head in line better. It does work.

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My experience is that when someone is trying to kill you, you will want to kill him first. Being fast and accurate should be the goal and is attainable for most if you put in the work. I started out w/ an M-16 and a .45. Now prefer an AR15 and a 9mm. Once carried a.357 too, still far prefer the 9mm.



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Originally Posted by lvmiker
My experience is that when someone is trying to kill you, you will want to kill him first. Being fast and accurate should be the goal and is attainable for most if you put in the work. I started out w/ an M-16 and a .45. Now prefer an AR15 and a 9mm. Once carried a.357 too, still far prefer the 9mm.



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My feeling is speed is way overrated. If a truly bad person simply wants to kill you the advantage the guy with the gun already out holds is huge. Trying to quick draw under the circumstances is foolish.

Figuring out how to draw without being noticed as a threat is huge. Obviously, being shot at means it is time to draw regardless, but I doubt that situation is anything like as common...


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Originally Posted by whelennut
Have any of you gentlemen actually survived a gun battle and decided that you would be better off with a smaller less powerful duty handgun?
whelennut



This guy thought so.

https://www.policeone.com/police-he...p-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/



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So a total of one?


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Originally Posted by lvmiker
My experience is that when someone is trying to kill you, you will want to kill him first. Being fast and accurate should be the goal and is attainable for most if you put in the work. I started out w/ an M-16 and a .45. Now prefer an AR15 and a 9mm. Once carried a.357 too, still far prefer the 9mm.



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So you decided the 9mm gives you better killing power than a 45?


I like to do my hunting BEFORE I pull the trigger!
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