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bump Bet he doesn't answer He came here awhile back crying about non-residents having to pay more for tags etc. I am pretty sure that dipshit is from Minnesota. He's a special needs child for sure. Yes. He is from Minnesota.
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He is an idiot. Guessing he has no intent on hunting western states anyways. bump Bet he doesn't answer He came here awhile back crying about non-residents having to pay more for tags etc. I am pretty sure that dipshit is from Minnesota. He's a special needs child for sure.
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Problem with money buying up large and small tracts of land closing off access to public land. Same problem exist in colorado.
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on my land they took a line easement and opened a dirt road forever so we live with it ,not a big deal. but large tracts of public land behind a ranchers land should have an easement . why does the rancher or person with this private land in front of the public land the only one that can use it,that`s just wrong ! so money talks ? public land is for all American people to use for free ,we all pay taxes !
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public land is for all American people to use for free ,we all pay taxes ! Where did you get this idea? Public lands are managed for many uses, most of which require the payment of fees. Your opinions do not constitute facts.
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on my land they took a line easement and opened a dirt road forever so we live with it ,not a big deal. but large tracts of public land behind a ranchers land should have an easement . why does the rancher or person with this private land in front of the public land the only one that can use it,that`s just wrong ! so money talks ? public land is for all American people to use for free ,we all pay taxes ! You are welcome to enter and exit by water or air. But what you can not do, is invade someone else's land. So rent a chopper, and get airlifted in and out, if you must hunt that property. (Or ask nicely, and clean up your own trash, which so few actually do). To take by Eminent domain, is still thieft of property, just run through the courts, and forced on the land owner. Does that make it any easier to accept it as theft?. And you want to do it every couple of miles, for your convenience? No. Not just no, but hell NO! You believe you have a Right to access, and you do, as long as it does NOT interfere with anyone else's Right to Property. You might want to reread the Founding Fathers, and the Documents that define this country. That Right to Pursue Happiness, was not the first rendition, nor does it mean you can have or do anything you want. The original line was Life, Liberty, and Property. It was revised by Jefferson, who's muse was Locke. It was Locke using the phrase Pursuit of Happiness. It does not mean you can marry a goat, or have sex with farm animals, if it makes you happy. It means Career Path. The choice to choose your own life, and destiny. That no one could decide for you what you would be. It was revised, because Jefferson believed persuit of Happiness included property. A great deal of the Constitution and Bill of rights, is about right to property, and the defense of it, and what it requires to ever deprive someone of it. It was the basis of the right to vote (the Franchise).Only LANDED men could vote, no drummers (bums or traveling men), you had to have a stake in the outcome of the election. It had to matter, it had to effect your future, your property. Property Rights are fundamental to freedom itself. (At a guess, I would bet you would be in favor of doing away with patents and copywrites as well.)
An unemployed Jester, is nobody's Fool.
the only real difference between a good tracker and a bad tracker, is observation. all the same data is present for both. The rest, is understanding what you're seeing.
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on my land they took a line easement and opened a dirt road forever so we live with it ,not a big deal. but large tracts of public land behind a ranchers land should have an easement . why does the rancher or person with this private land in front of the public land the only one that can use it,that`s just wrong ! so money talks ? public land is for all American people to use for free ,we all pay taxes ! You are welcome to enter and exit by water or air. But what you can not do, is invade someone else's land. So rent a chopper, and get airlifted in and out, if you must hunt that property. (Or ask nicely, and clean up your own trash, which so few actually do). To take by Eminent domain, is still thieft of property, just run through the courts, and forced on the land owner. Does that make it any easier to accept it as theft?. And you want to do it every couple of miles, for your convenience? No. Not just no, but hell NO! You believe you have a Right to access, and you do, as long as it does NOT interfere with anyone else's Right to Property. You might want to reread the Founding Fathers, and the Documents that define this country. That Right to Pursue Happiness, was not the first rendition, nor does it mean you can have or do anything you want. The original line was Life, Liberty, and Property. It was revised by Jefferson, who's muse was Locke. It was Locke using the phrase Pursuit of Happiness. It does not mean you can marry a goat, or have sex with farm animals, if it makes you happy. It means Career Path. The choice to choose your own life, and destiny. That no one could decide for you what you would be. It was revised, because Jefferson believed persuit of Happiness included property. A great deal of the Constitution and Bill of rights, is about right to property, and the defense of it, and what it requires to ever deprive someone of it. It was the basis of the right to vote (the Franchise).Only LANDED men could vote, no drummers (bums or traveling men), you had to have a stake in the outcome of the election. It had to matter, it had to effect your future, your property. Property Rights are fundamental to freedom itself. (At a guess, I would bet you would be in favor of doing away with patents and copywrites as well.) I thought that Jefferson's personal pursuit of happiness was named Sally Hemmings.
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" I thought that Jefferson's personal pursuit of happiness was named Sally Hemmings." 
An unemployed Jester, is nobody's Fool.
the only real difference between a good tracker and a bad tracker, is observation. all the same data is present for both. The rest, is understanding what you're seeing.
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Texas’, This is no longer how A-Pus is administered. SLM, please clarify your statement whereas in your initial post you stated that technically state land is not “public” land. In your succeeding post you referred to state or public land as “public” ground. I am a bit conflicted. Please set me straight.
Yes, NM is jacked when it comes to how it will handle state and private hunting. I ask only for clarification not to blur the issue NOT for sake of argument.
Understand that I am a nonresident, resident of MT, looking for equal hunting opportunity for all. I continue to keep informed regarding Montana public and private land issues. MTG As others have mentioned, New Mexico has some public land with no public access since it's behind private land. This happens in most, if not all, western states. In New Mexico a lot of state land is leased to ranchers in 99 year grazing leases. These leases are passed down through generations. Some ranches are 100 percent state lease land and these can be hunted by public hunters. Fully deeded ranches (no state lease land), like ours, are simply issued tag codes. Some ranchers sell them, some have friends and family come hunt, and some don't allow hunting. Other ranches, probably the majority, are a combination of private deeded property and state lease. By law, the ranch owner can choose whether he/she wants hunting on the ranch or not, but it's an all or none proposition - public or state hunters must be allowed on these ranches if private hunters are allowed to hunt. Most ranches do allow hunting because a) they're hunter friendly and b) they need the revenue. Some ranches do not allow hunting because they're opposed to hunting. This is a small percentage. Others don't allow hunting because they don't need the money and don't want to risk any liability. This is also a small percentage. The majority of ranches that don't allow hunting do so because of previous bad experiences with hunters and/or outfitters. This is the other way that state lands become locked. NM Game and Fish does a fly over antelope census every spring/early summer. They then declare how many antelope they think should be taken per ranch. For round numbers, let's say a 10,000 acre ranch is half deeded acreage and half private. Fish & Game says 10 mature bucks can be taken off of this imaginary ranch. If the rancher allows hunting on the ranch, half of the hunters must be public. The other half, 5 tags, go to the rancher - he/she can sell them, give them to friends and family, or not use them. I hope that clarifies things. A few opinions: 1) I would agree that the A-plus system is confusing. 2) New Mexico's government is a mess. 3) There's probably not much that will ever change about fully public land or fully private land ranches. Where headway could be made is on the ranches that have combinations of private deeded and public lands. The outfitters that buy the private tags from ranches and resell them to hunters have to be held accountable by law enforcement - and by hunters. I literally cannot think of a game law I haven't seen an outfitter break in our corner of the state. Responsible outfitters would get more ranches opened up. To give you an idea of how bad the outfitters around us are, I'm certain that I could open a guiding business, approach the ranchers they're currently doing business with, and buy the tags for the same amount currently paid OR LESS. The ranchers hate doing business with them. (NOTE: I'm NOT casting shade on Mr. Drummond. He works in a different part of the state. I don't know him but, by all accounts here, he's well regarded. Kudos to him.) 4) In addition to better outfitters, the other thing that would help open up currently locked ranches are better hunters. A lot of hunters are drunk, and/or don't know or care about the game regulations, and/or don't know how to shoot, and/or don't know how to handle meat, and/or leave every closed gate they come to wide open. Be an ambassador for your sport. We've considered closing our ranch to hunting because of rude, dangerous and unlawful hunters, and the owners around us all tell me they consider it too every year. Our sport is on thin ice in a lot of places and unfortunately much of that has been earned. SLM, I called an talked to a NMGF guy at length about antelope and elk. Since we don't have elk, I'll just pass on what I learned about antelope. In a way not much has changed about private lands. The owners no longer sell tags, they sell permission to hunt, just like deer season. On ranches with mixes of public and private, there probably will be more hunting for NM residents. State lease lands with public access will likely be covered with hunters, and I expect most of the antelope will be chased off those areas by 10 am on opening day. I talked to several other ranchers in the area. They all said they're going to only allow as many hunters as have been typical as in years past. That's partly because they don't want the antelope shot out and they can't have hunters running around their places all the time.
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