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Originally Posted by jaguartx

Why don't you and tzone fill us in on the crucial things that supercede having a communist antichrist at the helm of the Catholic church?

So when the pope starts saying all that silly stuff about politics just ignore him. That's what Catholics do.


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Sounds like the snowflakes and SJWs like what he has to say.

BTW, you really arent being seriius, are you?

Like, if Trump were saying people who believe in Christ are dangerous loonies we would be expected to just ignore that?

The pope doesnt know the Word. He doesnt know the Bible. He leads people astray.

People with guns cant be Christian. Lord said get a sword.

Church doesnt give a crsp if their subjects live on welfare. God said provide for you and yours or I am not in you.

Are you fine with having bro and sis christians not knowing HE is not in them?

He runs on all the time about world peace. HE said He didnt come to bring peace on Earth. He came to give us personal peace. If your cbruch buds live on welfare and have the false peace of thinking the pope has cleared things in heaven for them and he hasnt, are you not concerned for them?


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Originally Posted by efw
We’ve been saying it for hundreds of years:

Westminster Confession of Faith 25:6

vi. There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ; nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense, be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalts himself, in the Church, against Christ and all that is called God.


The biblical doctrine of the church revolves around Jesus Christ. He is the head of the church, which is His body, and He must have the preeminence (Col. 1:18). He has supreme authority (Col. 2:10). The church submits to Him as its Lord (Eph. 5:22-24). He is the source of our life (Eph. 4:15-16). When men claim to follow Christ but really follow their own personal notions or traditions and manmade rules and forms of worship, they are not holding the Head (Col. 2:18-23). Christ must always be first, or we have ceased to be the church of Christ.

One of the great heresies of the Roman Catholic Church is their exaltation of a man to the place of Christ. The Pope or Bishop of Rome takes the title "Vicar of Jesus Christ," meaning that he acts as Christ's representative, ruling as the supreme head of the church on earth. He is also called "Pontifex Maximus," meaning supreme or great high priest (Lev. 21:10, Vulgate), but the Bible says our great high priest is Jesus, the Son of God (Heb. 4:14). Invoking the authority of Peter, the Pope claims to speak infallibly on matters of faith or life, placing his own words on the level of the words of Christ.

One of the great heresies of the Roman Catholic Church is their exaltation of a man to the place of Christ. The Pope or Bishop of Rome takes the title "Vicar of Jesus Christ," meaning that he acts as Christ's representative, ruling as the supreme head of the church on earth. He is also called "Pontifex Maximus," meaning supreme or great high priest (Lev. 21:10, Vulgate), but the Bible says our great high priest is Jesus, the Son of God (Heb. 4:14). Invoking the authority of Peter, the Pope claims to speak infallibly on matters of faith or life, placing his own words on the level of the words of Christ.

It may surprise modern readers that the Westminster Confession calls the Pope the Antichrist. Today the Antichrist is popularly conceived to be a great military leader who will rule the world with supernatural powers. But in the Scriptures, the word antichrist is used of false teachers who deny fundamental teachings of the faith. John wrote, "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists" (1 John 2:18; cf. 2:22; 4:3; 2 John 7).

The Lord Jesus warned that "false Christs, and false prophets" will come (Matt. 24:24). Paul foretold that the coming of the "man of sin, the son of perdition" who would exalt himself to the place of God in the temple (2 Thess. 2:3-4). The Westminster divines believed (and make a good case for their beliefs in their frequent writings on this subject!) that the office of the Papacy (not any one individual Pope) fulfilled these prophecies, asserting its claim to rule the universal church, which is the New Testament temple of God (1 Cor. 3:16).

Thus the Westminster Confession closes its chapter on the church with a solemn warning. Christ alone is the head of His church. He who dares to usurp Christ's place becomes an enemy of Christ. The confession of the true church has ever been, "Jesus is Lord!" It was this conviction that led early Christians to choose death rather than to worship the emperor of Rome, and the same conviction strengthens the church in every age. The blessed hope of the church is the return of her King, and her prayer is ever, "Come, Lord Jesus!"

Dr. Joel Beeke is the President and Professor of Systematic Theology and Homiletics at Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary and pastor of Heritage Netherlands Reformed Congregation in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

http://www.reformation21.org/confession/2013/07/chapter-256.php


Some how i missed this post of Gold that has been purified by the fire.

Thank you so much for this from one whose words were divinely inspired and proven by scripture.


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I've always wondered how much money the Church actually gives to charity and how much is just "flow through" money that people donate to Catholic charities. I bet money from Church investments isn't much.

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You dont think they make much off Baretta Corp, Facebook, Apple......


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The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.

A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".

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Originally Posted by jaguartx
BTW, you really arent being seriius, are you?

Sure, the pope has no special insight into political natters. I'm sure there are some loony leftist Catholics that think he does, but they were loony leftists to begin with. I don't know any. Everybody I know says "Can you believe what the pope did this time?" (like shoe kissing). Then shake their heads and go about their business.

The pope doesn't know the Bible? Funny, he's been studying it most of his life. Can't be a Jesuit if you don't.


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Originally Posted by BobMt
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Given the "status" of the Catholic church nowadays, he's certainly not doing them any favors with many of his radical views. Seems to be a good fit though when you think about it, given the path they've gone down the past 10 years or so.




not trying to disrespect anyone's views......but it is hard for me...to see why one would chose to be catholic ……..bob



The Catholic church is more than what the commie Pope is espousing. The precepts and sacraments of the Church are still valid and necessary. While we believe the Pope is infallible, this one is acting in concert with the devil.
We can still practice our faith while he promotes socialism and world chaos. Another analogy comes to mind which involves a baby and bath water.

I should add that many do not choose to be a Catholic as in making a conscious decision as a child. Many are born to it and either choose to remain faithful, drift away or totally reject it.

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Like calling mortal men Father.

Are you too brainwashed and blind to see the truths put forward in The Word in the efw post? Or are you being intentionally obtuse? Can you not read and comprehend?

Do you insist the parishioners are to worship the Church rather than Him?

Well, He said He would blind your eyes.

…17From the rest he makes a god, his graven image. He bows down to it and worships; he prays to it and says, “Save me, for you are my god.” 18They cannot comprehend or understand, for He has shut their eyes so they cannot see, and closed their minds so they cannot understand. 19And no on


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The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.

A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".

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Originally Posted by nighthawk

The Church does own a lot of property in Europe. I suppose they could sell it all off and give the proceeds to the poor, a one shot deal. Or continue to manage the property and annually give to the poor in perpetuity.


I learned when Notre Dame Catheral burned, that the great catherals in France have been the property of the state since the French Revolution.

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Originally Posted by nighthawk

The Church does own a lot of property in Europe. I suppose they could sell it all off and give the proceeds to the poor, a one shot deal. Or continue to manage the property and annually give to the poor in perpetuity.


I learned when Notre Dame Catheral burned, that the great catherals in France have been the property of the state since the French Revolution.

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Yep, they stole them. Same as England did after Henry VIII established the Anglican Church. They stole all Catholic Church owned property in England.

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Originally Posted by jaguartx
Like calling mortal men Father.

Where do you get this stuff? The creed we pray at every mass begins, "I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth...." Is it really so hard to distinguish between Father capital F and father small f?


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Originally Posted by nighthawk
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Like calling mortal men Father.

Where do you get this stuff? The creed we pray at every mass begins, "I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth...." Is it really so hard to distinguish between Father capital F and father small f?

Stick with the capital “F” father and you won’t go wrong.

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While we believe the Pope is infallible, this one is acting in concert with the devil.

So acting in concert with satan is infallible in the eyes of God, who is the only One who matters?

Romans 3:10-12 New King James Version (NKJV)

10 As it is written:
“There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”


But the catholic masses say this mere man, just another sinner, is infallible?

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We can still practice our faith while he promotes socialism and world chaos.


But if catholics believe him to be the infallible leader, then he IS your faith; speaking only that and leading only in the way God has him do. But he is not that. You cannot worship two masters. It's either God the infallible or the pope infallible. And as scripture tells us, there are none on earth infallible (righteous).

John 14:6 New King James Version (NKJV)
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6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

The pope has nothing at all to do with your faith or salvation.

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.....that many do not choose to be a Catholic as in making a conscious decision as a child. Many are born to it and either choose to remain faithful, drift away or totally reject it.


If you are catholic, you choose to be catholic, as in making a conscious decision; just as could be your conscious choice to leave a cult led by a false prophet and come to the Father thru Jesus. No one else is coming, no one else is here. It's just Jesus, him alone. And accepting the reality of Jesus Christ, who he is, and who is the Father, is the only way to a relationship with the Holy Trinity and eternity in Heaven.

I say none of this from hatred or self righteousness. Though ridicule may come, I say these things as I am led. The longer I live and the shorter time I have left here, the more I value the admonition to voice the Gospel, the Good News, that Jesus Christ is "the way, the truth and the life". It's not complicated. God loves us and He sent his Son as a showing of that love. He's telling us to just accept Him as our Creator and to accept the plan He has for our life here on earth and for our eternal life through Jesus Christ. As Jesus said:

John 14 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Way, the Truth, and the Life

14 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many [a]mansions; if it were not so, [b]I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And where I go you know, and the way you know.”

Nothing about the pope, his underlings, HIS mansions and private kingdom, or his supposed infallibility. And nothing about preachers or deacons. On the contrary it's all about the personal relationship with God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. The decision is ours. The choice is whether or not we accept the reality and infallibility of God, not the pope or any other mortal. Again, it's just Jesus. No one else is coming, no one else is here. It is Him and Him alone that can take us to the Promised Land.


“When Tyranny becomes Law, Rebellion becomes Duty”

Colossians 3:17 (New King James Version)
"And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him."
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Presuming you misunderstand, the Pope is considered infallible only on certain doctrinal issues. Other than that he's just a guy. A scholarly person and leader of the Church on earth inherited from Peter with the best of intentions and due great respect and deference but human.

This is based on scripture though you may interpret differently. The Pope is infallible in that he is inspired by the Holy Spirit as were the apostles after Jesus arose, or as conventionally thought the writers of scripture. You do see the Bible as infallible, right?


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Originally Posted by nighthawk
Originally Posted by jaguartx
BTW, you really arent being seriius, are you?

Sure, the pope has no special insight into political natters. I'm sure there are some loony leftist Catholics that think he does, but they were loony leftists to begin with. I don't know any. Everybody I know says "Can you believe what the pope did this time?" (like shoe kissing). Then shake their heads and go about their business.

The pope doesn't know the Bible? Funny, he's been studying it most of his life. Can't be a Jesuit if you don't.



Like most geeks that specialise in a particular subject, the majority erroneously believe that they excell in all matters...when in reality a jack-of-all-trades has a better broad based understanding of the world and the problems experienced there-in.

Basically he is an arrogant socialist geriatric ƒuckwit.


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Never found him to be particularly arrogant. wink


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Problem is, NH, that you accept the pope is off the mark re his political views. In the previous couple of pages we have demonstrated that his religious views are also contradictory to scripture. And you accept that, yet that is what you persist in worshipping, which means you reject worshipping the Father you believe in (Christ) while insisting on worshipping the father who rejects Christs Word for his own word.

You have here described a cult and demand your alliegence to it, not Him. You worship the church when the church (his believers) are instructed to worship Him. I have seen the pope say you must wordhip the church. Did he hypnotize you?

Matt24:2 take heed that no MAN decieve you.

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before."- Matthew 24:24,25.

Satan is using men to deceive fellow men and this he does via " great signs and wonders" and also unsound doctrines. In this he arises ffalse prophets, counterfeit prophets. The question we must ask, where do these counterfeit prophets and teachers arise? The Bible is explicit: "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you."- 2 Peter 2:2. These individuals arise among the professed Christians, he is not some blasphemous atheist from somewhere. And other than miracles what do they do? Listen to what Peter continue to say, "and through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you." verse 3, They will what? They will make money out of you.

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A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

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Originally Posted by bigwhoop
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Given the "status" of the Catholic church nowadays, he's certainly not doing them any favors with many of his radical views. Seems to be a good fit though when you think about it, given the path they've gone down the past 10 years or so.




not trying to disrespect anyone's views......but it is hard for me...to see why one would chose to be catholic ……..bob



The Catholic church is more than what the commie Pope is espousing. The precepts and sacraments of the Church are still valid and necessary. While we believe the Pope is infallible, this one is acting in concert with the devil.
We can still practice our faith while he promotes socialism and world chaos. Another analogy comes to mind which involves a baby and bath water.

I should add that many do not choose to be a Catholic as in making a conscious decision as a child. Many are born to it and either choose to remain faithful, drift away or totally reject it.


The previous popes acted in concert with the devil, also. It just wasnt so in your face.


Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.

A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".

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Originally Posted by shootem
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While we believe the Pope is infallible, this one is acting in concert with the devil.

So acting in concert with satan is infallible in the eyes of God, who is the only One who matters?

Romans 3:10-12 New King James Version (NKJV)

10 As it is written:
“There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”


But the catholic masses say this mere man, just another sinner, is infallible?

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We can still practice our faith while he promotes socialism and world chaos.


But if catholics believe him to be the infallible leader, then he IS your faith; speaking only that and leading only in the way God has him do. But he is not that. You cannot worship two masters. It's either God the infallible or the pope infallible. And as scripture tells us, there are none on earth infallible (righteous).

John 14:6 New King James Version (NKJV)
cul
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

The pope has nothing at all to do with your faith or salvation.

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.....that many do not choose to be a Catholic as in making a conscious decision as a child. Many are born to it and either choose to remain faithful, drift away or totally reject it.


If you are catholic, you choose to be catholic, as in making a conscious decision; just as could be your conscious choice to leave a cult led by a false prophet and come to the Father thru Jesus. No one else is coming, no one else is here. It's just Jesus, him alone. And accepting the reality of Jesus Christ, who he is, and who is the Father, is the only way to a relationship with the Holy Trinity and eternity in Heaven.

I say none of this from hatred or self righteousness. Though ridicule may come, I say these things as I am led. The longer I live and the shorter time I have left here, the more I value the admonition to voice the Gospel, the Good News, that Jesus Christ is "the way, the truth and the life". It's not complicated. God loves us and He sent his Son as a showing of that love. He's telling us to just accept Him as our Creator and to accept the plan He has for our life here on earth and for our eternal life through Jesus Christ. As Jesus said:

John 14 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Way, the Truth, and the Life

14 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many [a]mansions; if it were not so, [b]I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And where I go you know, and the way you know.”

Nothing about the pope, his underlings, HIS mansions and private kingdom, or his supposed infallibility. And nothing about preachers or deacons. On the contrary it's all about the personal relationship with God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. The decision is ours. The choice is whether or not we accept the reality and infallibility of God, not the pope or any other mortal. Again, it's just Jesus. No one else is coming, no one else is here. It is Him and Him alone that can take us to the Promised Land.


Thanks, Shootem for a great post.


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The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.

A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".

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Originally Posted by nighthawk
Never found him to be particularly arrogant. wink


Does that mean he is being extremely humble when he insists that capitalism is bad and socialism is good?


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