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I don't doubt it, Jim.

While I buy all that, when is it time to join the 21st century?

Is there an obligation to force them, since the old ways are neither sustainable, nor teachable now the elders are going, going gone? What if they were required to hunt and feed themselves without the internal combustion engine? No snow machines, outboard motors, ATVs? Horseback and bow and arrow baby! Gonna bitch about losing the old ways then better practice the old ways. Live the old ways. Includes the Medicine Man for healthcare. Don't know WTF they do for the dentist, but they gotta leave the rez for me to see 'em.

Old ways as in self respect??

Well that flies in face of good morals and is can be a true waste of game. When there is no responsibility the world is another step worse off again.

But the natives, like many others have been paid off WAY more than they ever should have been. They killed each other but when we won, it was our fault.

Tired of that liberal train of thought and the bills that go with it

Nothing wrong with that

Self respect includes not getting drunk and beating the crap outta your women where I come from. Let's start there.

You have some white neighbors that do that too!

Hatari,

The Indians are a classic example of entitlements ruining people

Yep. No self respect. Lowlifes

Folks are just folks.


The SCOTUS just rules differently sometimes.

Yep. Bob hit the nail on the head as usual.
After they stole horses and became horseman the Comanche came to TX and went about the business of decimating all the other tribes who were here first in TX. They killed Apaches, Tonkawas, Karankawas, Witchatas and many more. Comanche’s superb horsemanship enabled them to wipe out or run all the other tribes out of TX. And lots of Spaniards and Mexicans too. Comanches also finished off what was left of their enemies once they all hit the Rez in OK.

So as per usual Quik Kum Karl doesn’t have a fuqking clue about Comanches or any TX history. Just another dipschitt troll that doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground.

Bottom line is that ruling is going to create a schitstorm.
I have no problem with what happens on the rez, stays on the rez. And there are some tribes, like the Yakama, who have well-managed reservations with bountiful game populations, good forests, nice farms. Closer to home, the Blackfeet ranchers I've met are about 99,99 percent cowboy except for their tans.
As far as the conquest goes, the fact is, the Indians often slaughtered others without any compunction. Mistreated? Yes, but that was the standard and norm back then. Not today.
I really think the reservation model has run its course. Make the tribes shareholders in a corporation, make them plain old American citizens with the same rights and responsibilities as anyone else, and let thngs work out.

Are Ravens still protected though?

Birdy, please, on these fora, stop trying to interject logic and proportion. They fell sloppy dead at the end of the 60's.

Just a small comment regarding "gross wastage" occurring on reservations, I can only speak to the Fort Apache rez where I lived for a while around the turn of the millennium. There may have been some tribal members and non-tribal "poachers" wasting game, however, I knew personally the director of the tribal game department at the time and had met some of the Wardens". Wastage was frowned upon. Prosecuted? That I cannot speak to, things are different in Indian Land as some here know. There may have just been some peer pressure applied. I was gifted a front quarter, and the next year a hind quarter of elk by one of the tribal members who told me "I can't eat the whole damn thing myself". While it may be an issue elsewhere, wastage didn't appear to be prevalent on the FAIR.

Re: the OP. I'm a pretty firm believer in "contracts", otherwise known as Treaties. Until both parties agree to renegotiate the contract, and it has no expiration date, then in my mind I believe it holds as written. To bad, So sad if one of the parties later realizes it screwed itself. The Fort Apache rez is a good example, those folks got great timberlands, good grazing areas, traditional gathering areas for food and "craft" materials, kept their language long enough to still have elders that could (and did ) teach it to the younger members, some of the best elk hunting areas in the state along with a native trout found in few other places in AZ and loads of small game. Likely they won't be wanting to renegotiate their Treaty.

Someone earlier mentioned the problem of some of these documents being "200 years old". Is that an issue? Really? Seems the people of the US made a contract (Treaty?) with future generations that is over 200 years old now. Seems some of those hated "liberals" wish they could change a certain part of that contract, by fiat if they have to. I think I'll stand by not being willing to renegotiate it.

Hope your spring/early summer is going well. Get a good fan if you're not fixing the A/C

Geno

First thing I thought about when I read the title was hunting crows as a kid.

Hi Geno, I gotta say that the Mescalero Apache Reservation in SE New Mexico appears to be well-managed also with respect to timber, grazing and elk. Here in far off San Antonio I have taught the kids of two families from there over the years, in both cases the parents wanted the kids raised OFF the reservation tho they returned there regularly for ceremonies and holidays. Like ghettos, it may be that the more functional and successful people get off the Rez, leaving mostly those in more dire straights behind.

We had a couple from a Rez on the northern plains come down and stay with us for a while to escape a violent dispute that was going on up there. In their twenties both had spent their entire lives on the Rez. Tho adept at the ins and outs of public assistance up there, to them America as we know it was like a foreign country, even the West Side of San Antonio. The guy liked it well enough, quickly found work, and woulda stayed longer but his girlfriend went into total culture shock that only got worse so they went back after about two months.

The bottom line to this whole thing is simple.......Karl is a liberal who loves minorities. He got all mad in another thread when he didn't like anyone saying anything about Negroes, and now he's defending the Injuns. While I do believe that the US should honor the treaties they made with the Indians, I also think that a poacher is a poacher, no matter where they're poaching, and it seems to me that that this was all this case should have been about.

Poor Queer Karl.

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You are so full of chit its not even funny.

Like all things Texass scumbag and/or redneck scumbag -- the United States made an agreement with the Crow, and now you don't like it. NOT unusual in Texass where no Texass-an ever keeps their word. I say it is poetic justice NOT for what happened to Native Americans, but just because of y'all. Suck it up, [bleep].

I hope it goes nationwide and each Tribe shoves it as far up your fat asses as they can get it.

Voted for Trump, voted Republican my entire voting life, and will vote for Trump again - but you ass wipes are precisely why your kids will vote for liberals.