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Killing animals, poking holes in paper, and ringing steel is very complicated.
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Technically I believe the Carcano is slightly older.
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Good thing they told you where the battery was! Ya can't have lightning bolts w/o electricity.
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Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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I have a 6.5 Creedmoor. I have never considered the 22 centerfires to be adequate deer cartridges, yes, they'll most certainly kill a deer....on the other hand, so will a 22 rimfire. It has always been my belief that the 243 is the minimum deer cartridge, with the 270 being the perfect one. The 6.5 is a compromise, it has about as much killing power as a 270, with the recoil of the 243, and in a short action, which I prefer.
Having said that, no cartridge is magic, as the performance of ANY cartridge falls directly upon the man behind the gun. There are a host of cartridges that will work perfectly for deer sized game, and I've used a bunch of them. Just as there are those who are stupid enough to believe that the 6.5 Creedmoor has some kind of magical properties that make it far better than anything else, there are those who are stupid enough to pretend it doesn't exist. It's here to stay, it's a good cartridge, just as there are a host of other good ones as well. What is this "moor" chitt? I got more, wanna fight about it? ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/zwLal9P.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/kSfBMQa.jpg) Oh wow, daddy is home and he brought his toys! Let's go play!! 
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I have a 6.5 Creedmoor. I have never considered the 22 centerfires to be adequate deer cartridges, yes, they'll most certainly kill a deer....on the other hand, so will a 22 rimfire. It has always been my belief that the 243 is the minimum deer cartridge, with the 270 being the perfect one. The 6.5 is a compromise, it has about as much killing power as a 270, with the recoil of the 243, and in a short action, which I prefer.
Having said that, no cartridge is magic, as the performance of ANY cartridge falls directly upon the man behind the gun. There are a host of cartridges that will work perfectly for deer sized game, and I've used a bunch of them. Just as there are those who are stupid enough to believe that the 6.5 Creedmoor has some kind of magical properties that make it far better than anything else, there are those who are stupid enough to pretend it doesn't exist. It's here to stay, it's a good cartridge, just as there are a host of other good ones as well. What is this "moor" chitt? I got more, wanna fight about it? Oh wow, daddy is home and he brought his toys! Let's go play!! Looks like a Texas hog hunter.... DF
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Aren't there 6.5mm military cartridges older than the 6.5x55? ......? not sure...the Swede I think is the most popular I'd agree that the 6.5x55 made the transition from military to sporting cartridge more successfully than any of the others in the group of six 6.5mm bore military cartridges that were introduced between 1891 and 1904. 6.5x50 Japanese 1897 6.5x52 Italian 1891 6.5x53R Dutch & Romanian 1893 6.5x54 Greek 1903 6.5x55 Norwegian & Swedish 1894 6.5x58 Portuguese 1904 Old guys like me can remember when you could mail order firearms and ammo from outfits like Klein's. Lots of surplus military firearms, some good buys and some not so good. Yep, those were the days. Wish I had a pile of those $40 Lugers we saw, plus all those cheap military rifles stacked in a barrel. Knowing what I know now, would like to revisit those sources. DF
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I can think of nothing a 25-06 will do that a "6.5 Creedlymore" won't do just as well, and I own them both, Hammer! I own both too but I favor the 25-06 slightly. You can get more speed from it and shoot lighter bullets. The 25-06 is my favorite cartridge to shoot. I know the ballistic coefficients of some of the 6.5s give it an edge when the ranges get real long but I am not a long-range shooter. What I prefer in the Creedmoor is that it is a shorter rifle. Not just the action but the 6.5 shoots well out of a shorter barrel compared to the 25-05. My 25-06 is a 24" barrel and I have heard that you lose a lot by going shorter. They are both good rounds. There is nothing magic about any of them. I don't understand why some people seem anti-Creedmoor.
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I don't understand why some people seem anti-Creedmoor. They probably resent all the hype the CM has garnered. And people can be protective of "their" brand, Chevy guys bad mouthing Fords, etc. So if one has a .260 that they love, and someone tells them a CM is better, they tend to fuzz up...  Just human nature. Boys will be boys... DF
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As a long time 6.5X55 shooter, I welcome the advent of the Creedmore, as it has brought a lot more suitable component bullets to the market? Though my memory might be a bit fuzzy on this, when I bought my first Swede(2003?) I would be surprised if there were more than 10-12 bullets available? Much better environment for us reloaders/shooters nowadays.
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I'm quite fond of it. Very accurate, very efficient, very well designed case, very good bullets, very available, low recoil....it's hard for me not to like it.
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Have posted this before. I have a Creed and a Swede, both with Shilen barrels. The Creed shoots most everything MOA, a number of loads sub MOA. The Swede shoots selected loads MOA, especially likes the 139 Scenar and 155 Mega, in Lapua brass. I think that gun is a Lapua snob... The bottom line, both are accurate, the Creed is easier to load for, likes more combos than the Swede. Otherwise, no difference on game. DF
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[quote=montanabadger] I don't understand why some people seem anti-Creedmoor. Oppositional Defiant Disorder.
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[quote=montanabadger] I don't understand why some people seem anti-Creedmoor. Oppositional Defiant Disorder. +1 They just can't help themselves. And there's a code for that...  DF
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The Creedmore will not do a damn thing that the 6,5 Swede will do-- if you insist on a short action-- get a 260
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The Creedmore will not do a damn thing that the 6,5 Swede will do-- if you insist on a short action-- get a 260 To what end?
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What end do you want?
Do you not read your tag line??
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My tag line would have somewhat get the 6.5 Creedmoor, not the 260.
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The swede will not do a damn thing that the 6.5 Creedmoor won't do-- if you insist on a short action-- don't get a 260 Fixed it for ya
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