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Trump wanting another 16 Billion farm bill bail-out again this year, that's about $500 per taxpayer each year... on top of the cost of the consumer having to pay for the tariffs on purchases. The [bleep] doesn't even understand the basics.
Phil Illegal immigration already cost us taxpayers 107 billion this year. Why don't you break that down per taxpayer for us?
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Are there "rich" farmers, who draw a ton of money from the government every year......sure there are. But, for every one of them, there are hundreds of smaller operators working their azz off to make ends meet.......and these are the farmers that put the majority of the food on the table for the people in this country.
I live in a county that has a number of these large farmers, who farm thousands of acres, and are on the USDA list of those who draw a lot of money in the form of subsidies. But, what most people don't realize about these farmers, and in a sense they are not farmers but businessmen, is that they could have easily gone broke and lost millions instead of staying in business and becoming wealthy. They took a risk and succeeded, something that many others could not do.
The US government has long had a policy of making sure that this country has a cheap and plentiful supply of food. If they are going to regulate the farmer, and if you own a farm or are a farmer, then you must deal with the USDA, you know what I'm talking about, then they must also be prepared to help the farmer out during the bad times. Most farmers here carry crop insurance, which is designed to help them in case of situations where they lost money on a crop for a variety of reasons. The government putting a tariff on Chinese goods, which results in a loss of a market for the farmers when China stops buying their crops, is as much of a disaster as is a drought or a flood. So, I have no problem with Trump helping the farmer out. Excellent post. I'm not a farmer but I live right in the midst of them. They work damn hard for what they have, IMO.
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Trump wanting another 16 Billion farm bill bail-out again this year, that's about $500 per taxpayer each year... on top of the cost of the consumer having to pay for the tariffs on purchases. The [bleep] doesn't even understand the basics.
Phil That is a FREAKING BARGAIN. I'd be happy to pay 10x that amount to ensure the future of farming in this country. I still have to pay taxes in California and I assure you that I pay way more than $500 a year to support illegal aliens and people who take craps on the streets. Farmers are the best tax bargain this country offers if we are only paying $500 per person.
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War is hell, it's also expensive. Agreed. Some people just can't see past their own nose......
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Farmers probably wouldn't if govt. left farming to the natural markets involved, instead of sticking the big govt. thumb in the pie... We're the government. We're here to help... 
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Trump wanting another 16 Billion farm bill bail-out again this year, that's about $500 per taxpayer each year... on top of the cost of the consumer having to pay for the tariffs on purchases. The [bleep] doesn't even understand the basics.
Phil That is a FREAKING BARGAIN. I'd be happy to pay 10x that amount to ensure the future of farming in this country. I still have to pay taxes in California and I assure you that I pay way more than $500 a year to support illegal aliens and people who take craps on the streets. Farmers are the best tax bargain this country offers if we are only paying $500 per person. Agreed, big time. Also how much of the Farm Bill $ mentioned here are for food stamps???
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$16 Billion to US farmers for the purposes of bringing China around is a hell of a better deal than the $Trillion+ we spent in that sh*thole called Iraq.
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Farmers probably wouldn't if govt. left farming to the natural markets involved, instead of sticking the big govt. thumb in the pie... We're the government. We're here to help... Yep, 1 man that gets it.
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I'd rather my taxes go to bail out a farmer than an auto company selling high priced pieces of crap that isn't even made in our country. Agreed with one small caveat, all farms receiving money would be required to use E-verify for all of their employees.
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Hey, gayghost and la Roy, how much did Clintons Da China Gate where he got his bud Ron Brown tonok the sale of OrbitalSciences missile guidance technology to China to cost us?
We hung the Rosensteins for such as this.
How much has it cost us for Feinstein to have a chicon spy being her office mgr and driver for 30 years. How much has China enriched her husbands business to fughk your nation over?
Why is El Chappo telling us of the millions he has paid Hillary and Zero govt officials to keep the border open?
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Farmers probably wouldn't if govt. left farming to the natural markets involved, instead of sticking the big govt. thumb in the pie... We're the government. We're here to help... They have to compete globally with heavily subsidized foreign farmers and those who have relatively negligible costs...labor, land cost, few regulations...
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Trump wanting another 16 Billion farm bill bail-out again this year, that's about $500 per taxpayer each year... on top of the cost of the consumer having to pay for the tariffs on purchases. The [bleep] doesn't even understand the basics.
Phil Cool, another $136 Billion and President Trump will have spent on Americans the same amount the Magic Negro spent on helping Iran develope nuclear weapons. This^^^^, but that wont result in extra military expenses for us.
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A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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Trump wanting another 16 Billion farm bill bail-out again this year, that's about $500 per taxpayer each year... on top of the cost of the consumer having to pay for the tariffs on purchases. The [bleep] doesn't even understand the basics.
Phil That is a FREAKING BARGAIN. I'd be happy to pay 10x that amount to ensure the future of farming in this country. I still have to pay taxes in California and I assure you that I pay way more than $500 a year to support illegal aliens and people who take craps on the streets. Farmers are the best tax bargain this country offers if we are only paying $500 per person. Agreed, big time. Also how much of the Farm Bill $ mentioned here are for food stamps??? None,
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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It is easy to spot those who would welcome their new Chinese Overlords.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I've read that corn farmers received a one cent per bushel payment in 2018.
AKA not chit.
We got a 15 cent bushel payment on our little wheat crop.
Didn't amount to much, maybe .5% of the annual operating budget.
Wheat right now is the same price it was roughly 40 years ago.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I've read that corn farmers received a one cent per bushel payment in 2018.
AKA not chit.
We got a 15 cent bushel payment on our little wheat crop.
Didn't amount to much, maybe .5% of the annual operating budget.
Selling wheat right now for the same price it was roughly 40 years ago.
Yep. And the price of a loaf of bread is at least 10X the price for the same loaf of bread nowadays.
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I've been buying my favorite whole grain bread for 85 cents a loaf.
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I can remember my GrandMother giving me a Quarter in 1970 when I was 10 to walk to the store to buy her a loaf of bread.
Same brand is $3.25 for the same loaf of bread today at the grocery store here.
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