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Re: Time for a new deck. Cedar or pressure-treated?? [Re: Nebraska] #13854128 05/27/19
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Is there any of the synthetics that will work over 16" centers?

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Re: Time for a new deck. Cedar or pressure-treated?? [Re: Nebraska] #13854631 05/28/19
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A few companies make what they call a dockboard. It'll be a special order thing but, will span 24" Almost all products will span 16" just fine unless you are in a very warm climate or have big low E windows close by.


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Re: Time for a new deck. Cedar or pressure-treated?? [Re: Nebraska] #13854637 05/28/19
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pdX- where do you buy Ipe or other hardwoods from?

Thinking of using cumaru over pressure treated frame. Don’t know of anyone local that handles it, just on line vendors.


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Re: Time for a new deck. Cedar or pressure-treated?? [Re: Nebraska] #13854656 05/28/19
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Trex tells me the transcend product on 16" centers is fine but no installer will do that for me. I get it, they don't want guarantee a deck that they don't build the frame for.

I'm happy to do resurface it myself with that product but don't want to spend the time if its an issue. I've got 750 sf of decking and can't get anyone with real world experience to weigh in on this. Any help?

Re: Time for a new deck. Cedar or pressure-treated?? [Re: Sevastopol] #13854676 05/28/19
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Originally Posted by Sevastopol
Is there any of the synthetics that will work over 16" centers?

Thank you.


You edited....you had asked about 24" centers and they are will all work over 16". Only some will work over 24".
Our decking (trex trancends) is made for, and on, 24" centers.
I went 12" on center under the hottub, but every thing else is 2ft.
And one more thing. The first CrossTimbers deck I built (and ultimately tore out) had the 'hidden fasteners' system. It was complete garbage.
This Trex has traditional fasteners but they are barely noticeable. One has to look very close to even see them.

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Re: Time for a new deck. Cedar or pressure-treated?? [Re: Nebraska] #13854687 05/28/19
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Well damnit make up your minds 🤦🏼‍♂️

Which is best ?


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Re: Time for a new deck. Cedar or pressure-treated?? [Re: TimberRunner] #13856541 05/28/19
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Originally Posted by TimberRunner
Trex tells me the transcend product on 16" centers is fine but no installer will do that for me. I get it, they don't want guarantee a deck that they don't build the frame for.

I'm happy to do resurface it myself with that product but don't want to spend the time if its an issue. I've got 750 sf of decking and can't get anyone with real world experience to weigh in on this. Any help?


You can pm me any questions you have. It should be easy.


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Re: Time for a new deck. Cedar or pressure-treated?? [Re: Sitka deer] #13856547 05/28/19
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Anyone thinking cedar is better without oiling either lives in a very narrow range of climate or is kidding themselves.


Plenty of painted cedar siding in the world too...


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Re: Time for a new deck. Cedar or pressure-treated?? [Re: pdXammo] #13856550 05/28/19
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Originally Posted by pdXammo
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Anyone thinking cedar is better without oiling either lives in a very narrow range of climate or is kidding themselves.


Plenty of painted cedar siding in the world too...

Obviously...


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Re: Time for a new deck. Cedar or pressure-treated?? [Re: MadMooner] #13856556 05/28/19
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Originally Posted by MadMooner
pdX- where do you buy Ipe or other hardwoods from?

Thinking of using cumaru over pressure treated frame. Don’t know of anyone local that handles it, just on line vendors.


I've seen some shady stuff from the online hardwood retailers. I have to stay on my toes when we import, it's a rough game. Cumuru is fine but, I really prefer Ipe. All these imports want to be Ipe when they grow up...
Pm a zip code and maybe I can connect you with a source. If you need it I could write an import hardwood manifesto...
Full disclosure we sell Deckwise products but, we do for a reason. Ipeclips are a great product.


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Re: Time for a new deck. Cedar or pressure-treated?? [Re: Sitka deer] #13856558 05/28/19
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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
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Anyone thinking cedar is better without oiling either lives in a very narrow range of climate or is kidding themselves.


Plenty of painted cedar siding in the world too...

Obviously...

Just like sunscreen, the efficacy of deckstain is hard to overstate. UV is far more harmful than water. A good stain with UV inhibitors will add years of life.


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Re: Time for a new deck. Cedar or pressure-treated?? [Re: Nebraska] #13856571 05/28/19
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Trex decking and its hand rails don't take long to get spongy and look like schitt. Look fake and weak. The OP had a Cedar deck. A pressure treated one will outlast the Cedar. And won't end up a spongy pile of schitt.


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Re: Time for a new deck. Cedar or pressure-treated?? [Re: 2legit2quit] #13856586 05/29/19
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Originally Posted by 2legit2quit
Well damnit make up your minds 🤦🏼‍♂️

Which is best ?

Marianne..... no, Ginger,,,,, no,,,,???
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Re: Time for a new deck. Cedar or pressure-treated?? [Re: Nebraska] #13856622 05/29/19
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Checking if an edit is recorded.

This is added as an edit.

Edits are recorded. Good to know.

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Re: Time for a new deck. Cedar or pressure-treated?? [Re: Nebraska] #13856623 05/29/19
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I'd go PT.....we see a bit of rain up here and haven't had any issues.

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Re: Time for a new deck. Cedar or pressure-treated?? [Re: Sitka deer] #13856764 05/29/19
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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Anyone thinking cedar is better without oiling either lives in a very narrow range of climate or is kidding themselves.


Oiling cedar is done to make cedar look like furniture, or to 'restore' the new(er) look of cedar - it its cosmetic only and does nothing to extend the 'actual life' of cedar as a deck, siding, or roof shake material. Once you oil it, you have an ongoing maintenance project, and you become the best friend of the Sikkens dealer.

Atlantic White Cedar (actually a Cypress) was chosen for early boardwalks in places with four season where wood is subjected to brutally humid summers and freezing cold winters. It is/was naturally rot resistant, and, because it could endure moisture indefinitely, folks started using it for siding and shakes. When they started running out of stands of material and prices rose, they turned to Western Red Cedar. Eventually the Boardwalk builders turned to Ipe in the 1960's because Ipe was said to last 25-years - in those brutally humid summer and freezing cold winter environments - with no finish on the material.

In the Pacific North Wet almost any material can become covered with moss or mildew on the north sides of buildings - folks power-wash it off and repaint where required.

The mistake people make with Cedar, is oiling it and or using it when something else is what they really want, but may not like the cost of. It all comes down to cost and how much time you want to spend re-coating your deck. I knew a guy that was a retired house-painter from the times when no one used a sprayer - his cedar deck looked straight out of the movies beautiful - he worked maintaining the like-new finish, every year...

But it sure did look beautiful!


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Re: Time for a new deck. Cedar or pressure-treated?? [Re: Nebraska] #13861544 05/30/19
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Cedar isn't that great in a deck handrail form... Seen miles of Cedar handrail that will not last as long as PT. Sure Cedar is better than Pine LOL! Per price I'd take Doug Fir Over Cedar any day. Both will need replaced eventually. And so will a spongy azzed Trex deck.


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