Home Forums Hunting & Shooting AR and Tactical Rifles Prices Seem Suppressed

I've made no claims that a rifle that won't shoot MOA or better is worthless, in fact I've said many times that a 1.5 MOA rifle will do anything I need to do. But I'm talking several 10 shot groups one shot right after the other. 3 shots here and there will generally open up, way up, when firing back to back.

I've also never said you must spend thousands of dollars on an AR or it'll be junk. I've spent more for barrels than some of you have spent on a complete gun. I've had and have guns that will shoot 10 shots under MOA but my favorite guns are light weight pencil barrelled rifles and carbines. Most are 1.5 MOA, I do use good triggers, light weight hand guards, good HP and MPI'd bolts, I love the LMT SOPMOD stocks and I've played with brakes and flash hiders that would send some of you penny pinchers over the edge. I use what I like, not what's the cheapest.

I've had cheap parts break, I've seen a bunch more of them broken. I've messed with triggers and never could get one as good as a real trigger. I've had over gassed guns that would pull the rims off cases. I've even had a mini 14....I've even heard about the polymer lowers being "just as good as"

Buy what you want but don't get upset if I don't jump up and down over the "good deal" you got.

Probably saying he spent more than 400 IE a cheap AR, on an AR barrel. I know I have. I think we still have a backstar that was an ok barrel, and some treatment that had a LONG barrel life.. Thinking the was over 500 bucks...

Probably today a top blank is 300 bucks plus machine work...

PS you can't go wrong with WOA or WOP. But I'd sure take the time to call them and tell em what you are doing and what you want it to do with which bullets and let them give you some advice....

Having had John set me up with a USED shilen in 6/6.8 years ago that shoots 3 shot groups touching with TSX to hunt with, well his advice is usually spot on. And he was not ever in it for the money. He'd sell me a Krieger or whatever cause I demanded it, and tell me all I needed was a shilen, and then proceed to whoop my azz with his shilens.

the woa spr I want is in back order status for the 1-7.

You spent $1400 for a model 70?

The problem is much worse than we thought...

Their online inventory is not always accurate so give them a call............sometimes they have stuff that doesn't show up online or they have stuff in-process.

They are nice people to deal with. Their stock barrels are hand lapped Wilson's.

Another good alternative is Craddock Precision..............Paul Craddock worked for WOA for a long time before starting his own business; he has Rock Creek, Criterion, Bartlein & Kreiger blanks & is also very easy to work with.

If you're doing a 223 Wylde & 77 gr is the heaviest bullet you are going to shoot, a 1-8" twist will be more than adequate.

MM

Yes, you are right about that bullet, maybe even down to 1-6.5...............I haven't heard a lot good about that bullet, accuracy wise. Most say the 73 is better. I haven't shot either one.

MM

Whatever you say big money hustla.. you made it pretty clear “US” common folks can’t hang with you and your big money hustling ways.

I guess I needed to add a smiley face?

I’m going to do something I don’t normally do anymore post my data
75gr eld-m
23.5 gr AR-Comp
CCI BR primer
L.C brass
Seated to an OAL 2.360-2.365 or BTO 1.820-1.821

Before you all go running hooting and uh hollering yelling that’s over book max by 2 grains. Take your cheap asses and buy a hornady Manual look up 5.56 load data for a 80gr bullet with AR comp..

Damn, is that a suppressed load?

What is AR Comp? LMAO

Probably should never post my N540 loads...

Suppressed wtf you talking about? Or you mean compressed?

2776 from a 18 inch barrel. For those still using a hornady manual from 1998 max load of AR comp with a 80gr is 23.2. Most forget alliant data is for a 223 not 5.56/223 Wylde.