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Re: Your Honest Opinion? [Re: Jim_Knight] #13889390 06/10/19
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Originally Posted by Jim_Knight
I posted this in another forum too. I got to thinking about how my new to me Model 700 Classic .270 (22") likes both the 150/160PTs. In fact, it shoots both to 2950fps, and both under .75" (way under) for 3 shots. It shoots the 130 Hornady very well too, so lighter game is covered. My other rifle is another Mod 700 Classic in 338WM. At 66, the biggest animal I will ever hunt again is elk, and cows at that. Even a big cow is not as tough as a big rangy Bull. The "meanest" ( can hurt you) I will hunt animal is big hogs. In between is deer/antelope, etc. So, now that my .270W shoots a 160PT as fast as most 7mm Rem Mags, as far as elk/hogs goes, what advantage does my 338WM really give me? Bear in mind that I don't take shots at game past 375yds, and my "average range" for elk here is 190yds! The 338 Mod 700 is longer ( 24") not too bad, and a bit heavier, but still, not that heavy. It does recoil more, especially with its 250/2800fps loads it likes! Would I be a fool to just use this .270W and maybe sell/trade this 338 for, say, a foul weather/heavy snow day rifle in, say, a 35 Whelen carbine (or 30-06) pump as a backup? I'd like you honest opinions, especially from elk hunters/hog hunters.

I’d trade the 338 for a 30-06 that matches your 270 down to the smallest detail, then I’d focus on mastering how to run it. I like to have the second rifle in a different chambering in case I need to find ammo in the middle of nowhere. I used to think that the 30-06 was the best logistical choice until I ran into a gunshop that only had one box of 30-06 ammo—and it was FMJ.


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Originally Posted by Jim_Knight
This past week my hip situation made me realize that I am definitely going to have to hunt differently than I used too, that's a given, but I think I'll hang onto the 338WM. Yeah, I could borrow a rifle back from the SIL...but I really like using "my own stuff". I don't like going on any long trip w/o two rifles. I have had trips that were saved by having a spare. Heck, I've had rifles that shot well at the range, drive out to the desert to shoot rocks, and they not fire! I like 2 rifles when working up loads, allows one to cool, so time is better utilized ( which has always been the most expensive commodity for me!) and I like the fact that these two rifles are identical, set up the same Trigger Tech, etc, the 338WM only slightly heavier. I could put a lighter scope on it and it would be undiscernible in handling I bet. Thanks to you guys opinions, it really helped me think through this time. All I would do is lose a whole bunch of money if I sold it and/or end up with a "spare" that didn't appeal to me. So I am going to wring out some lighter bullets and find a 2500-2600 fps load for the 250s. It worked so stinking well in that 35 WAI, and its nice to have the "option" of a 2800fps/250NAB load. I'll just take and swap out both rifles on future hunts until I get them both "bloody", so to speak. I "know in my heart" my all day tromps in knee deep snow are over. ha I'll just go out, if snowing hard, and find a big spruce to sit under, see what walks by. Whichever rifle is in my hands...that's the huckleberry that will do the dirty deed. smile


I think you’ll be just danged happy Jim, if you like it and it shoots then keep it and have a blast.


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Jim –

You can cut the recoil on the .338 by dropping to a lighter bullet that will work just fine out past your self-imposed limit of 375 yards. I’ve had excellent results with the 225g AB (B.C. .550) at 2742fps, including my longest shot ever at 487 yards. To really cut recoil I’d go even lighter.

I sympathize on your hip problems. Wrecked mine in 2009 and suffered until 2015 when I finally got it replaced. Was able to hunt elk that fall. Used to be everything I did was based on how to minimize the hip pain while doing it. Now I rarely think about it except when I realize I’m not thinking about it. One piece of advice – If you get it replaced, make sure they come in from the side (no muscles cut) versus the older procedure where they go in from the rear (something like 27 muscles cut).

Good luck!

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I'd sell the 338 and put the money towards a hunt.

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Selling a couple guns doesn't mean squat as far as making a hunt... Been there did that...


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Hi Jim , sounds to like you really don't need the .338. An accurate .270 shooting those 150/160gr NP's will easily do what you need. Have been watching (and using) that combo on a great number of bull elk for the last 40 years (literally dozens) and it does a great job.
How about replacing the .338 with a stainless/ synthetic .30/06 with 22" barrel, topped with a good mid-sized 2.5-8x 36 Leupold VX3? Load it with 180gr NP's and venture forth!
I used to be a Magnum Maniac of the worst kind! Have used the .338 a lot and love it, particularly on elk. (Along with many others, some bigger, some smaller) But, in the end,
a good .270 and/or .30/06 will always serve you well to at least 500yds. Also a lighter, easier carrying rifle is always welcome when conditions get a little snotty out there.
Just my opinion anyway- take care of that hip! Cheers

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Sell both and get a custom 280! smile


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I like the .338WM, loaded about like a .338-06 and cut to 22". It's a good thumper with 180-200gr stuff at 2,800 or so. But if you were getting rid of it, it's not a bad idea to have a SS/Syn rifle for days when you can't keep a blued gun dry.


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Originally Posted by Jim_Knight
I posted this in another forum too. I got to thinking about how my new to me Model 700 Classic .270 (22") likes both the 150/160PTs. In fact, it shoots both to 2950fps, and both under .75" (way under) for 3 shots. It shoots the 130 Hornady very well too, so lighter game is covered. My other rifle is another Mod 700 Classic in 338WM. At 66, the biggest animal I will ever hunt again is elk, and cows at that. Even a big cow is not as tough as a big rangy Bull. The "meanest" ( can hurt you) I will hunt animal is big hogs. In between is deer/antelope, etc. So, now that my .270W shoots a 160PT as fast as most 7mm Rem Mags, as far as elk/hogs goes, what advantage does my 338WM really give me? Bear in mind that I don't take shots at game past 375yds, and my "average range" for elk here is 190yds! The 338 Mod 700 is longer ( 24") not too bad, and a bit heavier, but still, not that heavy. It does recoil more, especially with its 250/2800fps loads it likes! Would I be a fool to just use this .270W and maybe sell/trade this 338 for, say, a foul weather/heavy snow day rifle in, say, a 35 Whelen carbine (or 30-06) pump as a backup? I'd like you honest opinions, especially from elk hunters/hog hunters.


It depends. How accurate is your .338 and can you still manage the recoil well enough to be effective with it? If so, I'd suggest keeping it. First reason, I think a guy needs to have a reliable second rifle in case the first has some sort of failure. They're man-made and failure is possible. Second, during "recent" component shortages, some components were available after others ran out. The common stuff was what went out of stock first. I found it handy to have various cartridges, bullet diameters, powders, etc so I could always find something I could shoot. I knew a lot of people who stuck to 2 diameters like .224 and .308 to keep things simple who wound up no guns they could shoot because .30 cal bullets and .22 cal bullets were the first to disappear from the shelves. I think having SOME level of variety is a good idea.

If your .338 is not very accurate or if the recoil is starting to bother you so it interferes with accurate shooting, then it could be time to sell it. I would still replace it with something ... maybe a 7mm-08 or .308 so you're not overly reliant on a single gun and single bullet diameter and use a slightly different range of powder burn rates. (Don't forget to pick up a couple cartons of primers.)

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Originally Posted by slm9s
Sell both and get a custom 280! smile


Love a .280, used/owned one or another ( it or the Ackley) for 30yrs. I'm ready to mess with and wring out its .270 Uncle! smile

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Sometimes, all you need to keep an old rifle interesting is a new bullet to play with. Have you looked at the 230gr .338 ELD-X? BC is listed at .616 and you should have plenty of mag box to work with in a 700.


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TOM- between me and my SIL, we have wide range ( and store) of components. Heck, I still have some primers I bought back during the "Great Clinton Primer Scare" of the 90s! ha. Another advantage, and one which I've used through the years, is 2 rifles of the same caliber, wildcat or not. I never "lost my ammo", etc but the closest I ever came to it, was a local hunt ( about 100 miles away) for doe antelope. I took a wildcat 6mm/284 and 13rds of ammo. I let a friend talk me into trying shoot one over 500yds away, with us sitting on a high bluff looking down into the valley/prairies floor. The wind was making a big ventura, and I shot over, under, sideways, but never wounded the poor thing. I then missed another, and was down to 8rds. I knew if I wounded one I was going to have to chase her over the prairie to finish her, so I made a chip shot on one and went home. No way I could drive into town and just buy a box of ammo, ha.

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In your shoes I’d sell the rifle I’m least likely to use regularly and use the money to make the one I kept ‘better’.
For example, I’ve just swapped out a heavy steel barrel for a CF Proof Research barrel - gaining 2.5” of length (speed) and losing 1.5 lbs.
60th birthday present from my ‘better half’!

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I actually had that done to my .270 right after I got it, several months back. I had it pillar bedded/floated, and a added a Trigger Tech Primary, Its a keeper, and surprisingly fast for a 22" barrel. (forgot, I also had a Tubbs Speedlock added) I "normally" pick a 24", being they just feel better to me as a tall man. In fact, the only real carbines I ever enjoyed using was the leverguns and M4 clones ( hated the M16!) once had a new Mod 750 35 Whelen Carbine that was just way too pretty to hunt with ( actually, I was still using my customized Mod 700 Classic 35 Whelen Improved). I'll try to shoot the barrel out of this .270, then rebarrel to something else...whenever that is, never shot the barrel out of nothing but an M60 and helped to shoot out an 8 inch howitzer...neither was a "sporting weapon", ha.

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In most states it’s legal to use a 243 on elk and the 270 is well above that.
A well constructed bullet hitting accurately with enough energy will harvest pretty much any animal on the planet.

The 338 WM to me is a warm fuzzy while hunting in bear country, but with increased weight and recoil isn’t worth holding onto unless you simply love that rifle since less snazzy calibers like the 308 and 30-06 take more game animals than probably all others combined.

Hogs aren’t particularly tough, it’s more of where you hit them.

They have massive shoulder plates that tiny, weak bullets have a hard time penetrating. Ear, neck or head shots are the norm. I mainly use a 6.8 SPC for hogs, but I’ve killed them with a 5.56, 9mm and 40 S&W handguns.


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i am 65 years of age i have had both shoulders rebuilt if i only had those 2 rifles,i would use 338 Win. Mag with 210 gr. Nosler Partitions for elk ,the 338 Win. Mag. is a better elk killer,most of the time elk will go right down shot with a 338 .good luck,Pete53


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Thanks guys, I appreciate the feedback. I was actually considering this particular 270 with the 160/2950 load as a good choice as it mimics most 7mm Rem Mags. To most Utah hunters, going bigger than a 270/308/30-06 they pick the 7mm Mag. My point being was since the 7mm Mag is a Jim Dandy elk round ( cows/smaller bulls for sure) this particular 270/160 load would be just as deadly but even handier! I hope I draw out on some antlerless (deer/antelope) tags to try it out on.

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Jim, I too live in Utah and have hunted for the past 40 years with a 270. I've always shot Nosler 150 grain Partitions and see no need to change. I load a near max amount of IMR 4350 and get accuracy in the <1" range. I've used that rifle/load for deer, antelope and elk and never had a problem or felt under gunned. Sell the 338 and put that money towards tags and reloading supplies.

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Hello sir! Nice to hear from a fellow Utahn ( I'm a native Texan, but have lived here since 1990, after 3 yrs in Oklahoma) I love it here, first/only place I ever lived that actually has Four Seasons! ha I have met a good dozen .270 users since being out here, and every one of them uses the 150 of some make! Granted, these are mostly older guys, but I always try ask guys what they use, whether at the range, out hunting or hearing their hunting stories. This is the first .270 I've owned through the years that actually shoots the 150/160 so accurately. The other rifles preferred either 130/140. I just never hunted with them. Well, one BAR I let my Godson shoot a Spanish goat in Colorado, I had to finish him off for him ( 140 Failsafe) He was a little fellow (the Godson, the goat was a keeper!) As I get "longer in the tooth" and "sorer in the joints", I find I enjoy the lighter rounds more, just a fact. I also know I'm never going back to Africa, so not a lot of bigger animals in my future...so far. smile

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"As I get "longer in the tooth" and "sorer in the joints", I find I enjoy the lighter rounds more, just a fact."

I've always been a bit of a "one load for one rifle" kind of guy. For the .270, I went with the 150 gr. Sierra Game King. Velocity os pushing 2900 FPS and the load is very accurate. I came across a smoking deal on 150 gr. Nosler partitions and worked up to the same level as the Sierra bullet. Didn't even have to readjust the scope setting. I fired six rounds one day, three with the Sierras and three with the Noslers. Both loads on their own do .75 to .80". The overlapping groups was 1.25". I could switch from one bullet to the other and never worry about the scope setting. I have four rifles in .270 and the load works in all four.

On the .338 Win. Mag., that's a cartridge I don't have a lot of love for. I can shoot my .300 Win. Mag. from the bench with no problem regarding recoil. BUT! I shoot the .338 Mag. and it's hurtsville all the way. Both rifles are M70s, one a post-64 pre-68 that has a small amount of history and the other is another M70, the Stainless Classic. I don't know the cause is but those two flat out put a hurt on me. I have and sometimes shoot a Ruger #1 in .416 Rigby and that bugger flat out kicks. Yet it hurts me less than those two M70s. You might think it's the stock design but one of my .270's and my .300 Win. Mag. are also M70s and I shoot them without any problem. My handloads are far from being on the mild side.
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